Violent Movies

[FutureDVXUser]

Hi,

Somewhere along the way, I can't remember, I came across this link: TV and Film Violence

If anybody reads that, what do you think about it? I'm speachless...

First of all... A violent movie or something "gang" related is usually made to show an audience why NOT to do or get involved with stuff like that... Hence when you watch a movie like scarface or goodfellas, in the end, they've been defeated... The concept is to show the after effect... It's like the lesson/moral of the story... "Dont do this... Because you'll end up like that..."

I hate hearing stuff about blaming violent movies or games for the actions of people... To me it's just a sickening "nice try" excuse... Games that are rated "M" for mature should be played by the mature... Just like XXX movies should be played for the person who wants to masturbate...

I don't mean to attack at this guys attack to violent movies, I just wanted to post it on this forum and see what you guys think... But to me it seems like this guys saying violent filmmakers have no talent...

Any comments?

Maybe I should have posted this in another forum... I dunno...

 

[GenJerDan]

Someone confusing agressiveness with violence?

Well, I suppose some people do think the ideal is to stand out in the field with the rest and munch on grass all day long.

But, Barnyard to the contrary, no cow has ever done anything worthwhile. And eventually winds up at McDonalds.

 

[ozduc]

Yes, I've been scarred or life after watching all those Road Runner and Bus Bunny cartoons as a kid!

 

[GenJerDan]

And I find myself frequently pulling people's noses and slapping them around a bit. Damn those Stooges!

 

[Sad Max]

"This little boy broke his arm imitating a stunt he saw on television. This little girl hurt herself the same way. And I won't even subject you to the horrors of our Three Stooges ward." - Dr. Hibbert, The Simpsons

 

[SilverWolf]

instead of debating the issue of whether or not violence on TV or in movies increases someones desire to want to do violent things we should concentrate on teaching people to better control their urges. We all get angry and want to hurt people but what separates you getting angry at someone for cutting you off in traffic and wanting to bash their head in from the person that actually goes out and does it ? Self control.

 

[GenJerDan]

But wich is really more useful to society? The person who grins and bears it, or the person who goes out and actually does something about the idiot who likes to cut people off on the highway?

It's not the self-control of the victim that's the issue, it's the self-control of the perpetrator. We give a pass to too many, and sooner or later the boiling point is reached...usually leading to an over-reaction on some schmuck who gets three month's worth of pissed off layed on them, rather than what is really deserved.

 

[Sproketz]

Sometimes filmmakers push the graphic violence too far to be "edgy" or whatever but violence in storytelling has been around as long as people have been around.

One look at this guy's website pretty much deflates any credibility there.

 

[SilverWolf]

But wich is really more useful to society? The person who grins and bears it, or the person who goes out and actually does something about the idiot who likes to cut people off on the highway?

It's not the self-control of the victim that's the issue, it's the self-control of the perpetrator. We give a pass to too many, and sooner or later the boiling point is reached...usually leading to an over-reaction on some schmuck who gets three month's worth of pissed off layed on them, rather than what is really deserved.

That's what I was saying. I wasn't saying that the victim needs self control but the people that are doing these "violent"acts

 

[Sad Max]

But wich is really more useful to society? The person who grins and bears it, or the person who goes out and actually does something about the idiot who likes to cut people off on the highway?

Undoubtedly the person who grins and bears it. Why did that idiot cut you off on the freeeway? Nine times out of ten, simple ineptitude. Maybe you were in his blind spot, and he failed to check. Maybe he was grooving to the latest Black Eyed Peas track, and wasn't paying adequate attention. Maybe he mis-estimated the space and thought he could make the move without cutting it too close. Maybe he's a nasty-ass sumbitch who just gets off on making you cuss and stomp your brakes - you have no idea. What are you going to do about it, anyway? Chase him to his destination and holler at him? Think he'll actually learn anything from that? No, he'll be telling his pals for weeks, about the weird-ass crazy mf'er who went miles out of their way (and wound up getting to work late) for the chance to get in his face about a bad lane change. Haul the .44 out of your glove compartment, and blow his fool head off? Good way to create a pile-up on the road, making *you* the idiot who causes the most stoopid, self-indulgent trouble for lots of other people (and, incidentally, go to prison).

Suggesting that it's somehow righteous or honorable to "do something" about the lane-changing idiot, implies that there is something constructive to do - and unless you're a highway patrol officer who can write the guy a ticket, subject him to a fine, and make it hurt enough that he'll (maybe) be more careful next time, there is nothing constructive that you can do. Just continue to your destination, and pay attention to your own driving, so that you don't turn out to be the cuts-others-off-kind-of-idiot that we all complain about.

It's not the self-control of the victim that's the issue, it's the self-control of the perpetrator.

Both are issues. We share a society with each other, so how you react to someone stepping on your toes, is as much the issue, as someone stepping on your toes, in the first place. Innocent bystanders, who didn't do anything wrong, might have to put up with the consequences of the 'victim' deciding to turn things around on the 'perpetrator.' Once someone else does something stupid, it's up to you to decide what happens next - are you going to decide on doing something stupid, too?

We give a pass to too many, and sooner or later the boiling point is reached...

Agreed. Specifically regarding bad driving, we issue too many drivers' licenses. The State of California announced a few years ago that the test was 'too hard' (based upon the fact that 'too few' people were passing) so they revised the written test to a third-grade level. If you devise your driving test for third graders, you're obviously putting people on the road who have no business being there, at all. And the principle applies in a lot of other places, too.

usually leading to an over-reaction on some schmuck who gets three month's worth of pissed off layed on them, rather than what is really deserved.

Well, seems to me we all have to choice to not over-react. And what's deserved, is tougher standards to get on the road, and lower thresholds for confiscating atutomobiles and revoking licenses.

I spend most of my road-hours on a motorcycle in the LA metro area, and am very sensitive to bad driving, since it frequently endangers my life. So if anyone should be for beating bad-lane-changers senseless and dumping them into reservoirs, it should be me...