STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieved
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Mike_Donis
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I even feel bad for the effects guys of the Original versions. SO MUCH WORK went into the optical compositing and stuff, and then Lucas COMPLETELY WIPES THEIR ONCE-INNOVATIVE WORK FROM HISTORY. The new effects don't even LOOK more realistic, just more CGI...
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
I even feel bad for the effects guys of the Original versions. SO MUCH WORK went into the optical compositing and stuff, and then Lucas COMPLETELY WIPES THEIR ONCE-INNOVATIVE WORK FROM HISTORY. The new effects don't even LOOK more realistic, just more CGI...
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[quote author=Mike_Donis link=board=movies;num=1081547763;start=25#42 date=04/14/04 at 14:07:34]I even feel bad for the effects guys of the Original versions. SO MUCH WORK went into the optical compositing and stuff, and then Lucas COMPLETELY WIPES THEIR ONCE-INNOVATIVE WORK FROM HISTORY. The new effects don't even LOOK more realistic, just more CGI...[/quote]
Roger that. Some of the CGI is downright embarrassing, IMHO.
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[quote author=Mike_Donis link=board=movies;num=1081547763;start=25#42 date=04/14/04 at 14:07:34]I even feel bad for the effects guys of the Original versions. SO MUCH WORK went into the optical compositing and stuff, and then Lucas COMPLETELY WIPES THEIR ONCE-INNOVATIVE WORK FROM HISTORY. The new effects don't even LOOK more realistic, just more CGI...[/quote]
Roger that. Some of the CGI is downright embarrassing, IMHO.
Mike_Donis
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Seriously...some of the shots look like stuff my high-school buddies could whip up in 3D Studio Max...:s
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Seriously...some of the shots look like stuff my high-school buddies could whip up in 3D Studio Max...:s
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I'd cut some slack for the year it was released if Titanic and Starship Troopers hadn't been made at the same time.
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I'd cut some slack for the year it was released if Titanic and Starship Troopers hadn't been made at the same time.
Mike_Donis
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Yes, but they HAD been released. And we're talking about ILM here, they're supposed to be TOP KNOTCH...
And I reiterate that they DIDNT improve the effects, they just changed them...
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Yes, but they HAD been released. And we're talking about ILM here, they're supposed to be TOP KNOTCH...
And I reiterate that they DIDNT improve the effects, they just changed them...
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Episode II wasn't any particular jewel in terms of the CGI, either. A lot of it looked like bad matte pantings.
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Episode II wasn't any particular jewel in terms of the CGI, either. A lot of it looked like bad matte pantings.
Mike_Donis
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Yeah, but then again, a lot of Episode Two was *shot* to look kind of like a cartoon...I mean, with that much Bluescreen, it's hard to NOT see it as an animated film with some live action elements.
But something like Empire Strikes Back? It looked DARK, and without that cartooney edge. At least from what I remember (I haven't seen it in a couple years). So adding cartooney effects to it just make them stand out. At least with Episode 2 they seemed to fit better.
*note* I'm not sticking up for the cheesey CGI in Episode 2. Bu I'm just clearing up some of the reasons I thought the Special Editions sucked...know what i mean?
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Yeah, but then again, a lot of Episode Two was *shot* to look kind of like a cartoon...I mean, with that much Bluescreen, it's hard to NOT see it as an animated film with some live action elements.
But something like Empire Strikes Back? It looked DARK, and without that cartooney edge. At least from what I remember (I haven't seen it in a couple years). So adding cartooney effects to it just make them stand out. At least with Episode 2 they seemed to fit better.
*note* I'm not sticking up for the cheesey CGI in Episode 2. Bu I'm just clearing up some of the reasons I thought the Special Editions sucked...know what i mean?
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Oh, yes. I know what you mean.
Though I could bear the whole thing if they just restored the Solo/Greedo scene.
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Oh, yes. I know what you mean.
Though I could bear the whole thing if they just restored the Solo/Greedo scene.
Mike_Donis
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Oh dear lord, that was horrible... :'(
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Oh dear lord, that was horrible... :'(
J.R. Hudson
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I like the look of the original Staw Wars. No tricks, no conceptual design in terms of looks. JUst good ole film stock and shot straight.
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
I like the look of the original Staw Wars. No tricks, no conceptual design in terms of looks. JUst good ole film stock and shot straight.
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At least Cameron gets it -- do it in camera. It'll look the most real.
BUT . . . to cut some slack, it IS cutting edge in the sense that he's trying a totally new approach.
But being cutting edge doesn't make it good. Maybe someone will come along and do it better.
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At least Cameron gets it -- do it in camera. It'll look the most real.
BUT . . . to cut some slack, it IS cutting edge in the sense that he's trying a totally new approach.
But being cutting edge doesn't make it good. Maybe someone will come along and do it better.
Mike_Donis
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The plus about the new star wars movies is as ive said already: they LOOK like cartoons. It makes the cartooney acting and characters just that much more believable at least
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
The plus about the new star wars movies is as ive said already: they LOOK like cartoons. It makes the cartooney acting and characters just that much more believable at least
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Do you think there is an anti-CGI new generation of filmmakers soon to come ? Us perhaps ?
I love models and miniatures (not sure about the real technical words, sorry :-/) : they give me more easily the illusion of reality than their virtual ersatz.
That's what I loved in "Kill Bill" : good old moviemaking, continual cheating though, but finally more honest to us viewers than CGI.
Why's that ?
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
Do you think there is an anti-CGI new generation of filmmakers soon to come ? Us perhaps ?
I love models and miniatures (not sure about the real technical words, sorry :-/) : they give me more easily the illusion of reality than their virtual ersatz.
That's what I loved in "Kill Bill" : good old moviemaking, continual cheating though, but finally more honest to us viewers than CGI.
Why's that ?
Mike_Donis
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I agree with you...CGI just doesn't cut it.
I think its just something subtle about the imagery itself...when its models, it HAS indeed actually been filmed...you just didnt see the strings holding it up. So unless the CGI effect is LITERALLY 100% perfect, it won't look as good. Then again, a bad model can make the movie suck, too, and it does have its limitations...
But I definitely love it when filmmakers decide to get creative rather than just saying the old "ahh, we'll do it in post"
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I agree with you...CGI just doesn't cut it.
I think its just something subtle about the imagery itself...when its models, it HAS indeed actually been filmed...you just didnt see the strings holding it up. So unless the CGI effect is LITERALLY 100% perfect, it won't look as good. Then again, a bad model can make the movie suck, too, and it does have its limitations...
But I definitely love it when filmmakers decide to get creative rather than just saying the old "ahh, we'll do it in post"
J.R. Hudson
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CGI should be used as a tool as any other 'trick in the bag'. Look at the FX in Black Hawk Down whereas CGI was used to enhance the picture or otherwise do something that couldnt be done practically.
The first Black Hawk thats goes down? ALL CGI and amazingly real.
I wish filmmakers would ask: Can we do this in camera first? Instead of automatically going to post for an effect.
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
CGI should be used as a tool as any other 'trick in the bag'. Look at the FX in Black Hawk Down whereas CGI was used to enhance the picture or otherwise do something that couldnt be done practically.
The first Black Hawk thats goes down? ALL CGI and amazingly real.
I wish filmmakers would ask: Can we do this in camera first? Instead of automatically going to post for an effect.
Mike_Donis
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my sentiments exactly!
Re: STAR WARS - The greatest trilogy ever concieve
my sentiments exactly!
