CAMCORDERS: AG-DVX100B 25 progressive cine-like feature vs AG-HVX 201

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noravan

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Please someone can explain me: The Panasonic AG-DVX100B, as you can see from the brochure alongside, has a "progressive 25" cine-look which makes the shooting"similar" to those of the cinema film, the model before had a progressive 24 with the same feature. Can you explain to me what is this? Because any camera, even the phone, is able to shoot videos at 24/25 fps, but they don’t look like cinema footage at all. So?

Most important question: I also have the Panasonic AG-HVX 201 below, which records in both Full HD and Mini DV and on P2 card and is assumed that it is a more advanced model than the first. Does it also have this "25p cine-look" feature or not?
which one is the best for a nice vintage video in 4: 3 for which I don’t really care about the high resolution but I do really care having a 8/16mm film camera look?

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lol, it's marketing. That was a time when dinosaurs were still on earth but seeing one was about as uncommon as affordable cameras having 24p.

The slower framerate did help with making the images more cine - cinematic - filmic - dreamy - insert superlative - compared to other framerates, especially 60i - and the overall progressive change/process deserves recognition - but there are a handful of other considerations as well including one since the first motion picture camera was ever made: lighting.

As far as 24p or 25p, just depends on where you lived, same mumbo-jumbo to express the technical offering.

Both of those cameras (and their various models) will produce a very similar image in 4:3 SD, but the DVX100 is the classic, the icon.
 
I imagine that you have one or more cameras, and you want to have a CCD camera with video and ND filters, so you might want to try an HVX or DVX camera. But if you havnt any cam and you only have one choice, HVX200 and DVX are a disaster, so you can run away and get away, I have an HVX and it is difficult for me to carry it, if I returned to the day I bought it, I wouldn't buy it! There are many review on the Internet about HVX and DVX, all of which are not true.

the P2 cards are so expensive that you can have a GH2 with a towP2 memory card money, or a 60d, You can have a 16 mm angle with each camera. With crop image. Of course, the CCD image, produces better colors.
I don't know maybe you want to work with miniDV technology, or you know the problems, it actually depends on your condition

about the difference between images is the DVX100 in SD mode much better than HVX if you mean both in SD.
 
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Takumarr said:
I imagine that you have one or more cameras, and you want to have a CCD camera with video and ND filters, so you might want to try an HVX or DVX camera. But if you havnt any cam and you only have one choice, HVX200 and DVX are a disaster, so you can run away and get away, I have an HVX and it is difficult for me to carry it, if I returned to the day I bought it, I wouldn't buy it! There are many review on the Internet about HVX and DVX, all of which are not true.

the P2 cards are so expensive that you can have a GH2 with a towP2 memory card of money, or a 60d You can have a 16 mm angle with each camera. With crop image. Of course, the CCD image in HVX and dvx produces better colors.
I don't know maybe you want to work with miniDV technology, or you know the problems, it actually depends on your condition

about the difference between images is the DVX100 in SD mode much better than HVX if you mean both in SD.
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I have other new & fullHD cameras, but I don't like HD stuff. I'm shooting films (short films) by many years and for a hobby (despite I don't have any technical knowledge) and I always wanted to achieve a "film look", or a "retro tv reporter look". I don't like to use professional cameras (with lens to mount), photo cameras (like sony alpha etc), drone, go-pro, smartphones.. anything that gives you the full detailed resolution stuff. I also don't like 16:9. I just like the 4:3 picture and a raw, soft definition "film looking aspect" with some grain. The best footage I ever achieved comes right from the AG-DVX100B, shot on MiniDV tape, and I'm just wondering if I can replace this camera with the AG-HVX 201 when the DVX100 will die, as she's 22 years old or so..
 
noravan said:
I have other new & fullHD cameras, but I don't like HD stuff. I'm shooting films (short films) by many years and for a hobby (despite I don't have any technical knowledge) and I always wanted to achieve a "film look", or a "retro tv reporter look". I don't like to use professional cameras (with lens to mount), photo cameras (like sony alpha etc), drone, go-pro, smartphones.. anything that gives you the full detailed resolution stuff. I also don't like 16:9. I just like the 4:3 picture and a raw, soft definition "film looking aspect" with some grain. The best footage I ever achieved comes right from the AG-DVX100B, shot on MiniDV tape, and I'm just wondering if I can replace this camera with the AG-HVX 201 when the DVX100 will die, as she's 22 years old or so..
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if you don't care about transfer DV cassett , dvx100 better and cleaner than hvx in SD mode, HVX200 in DV mode is weak unless you want to use the HVX200A
also dvx hve good style, orgonomi ease use ,light, and hvx havey to use!

If you want to make look movie, use the NTSC version to have a 24p image and if you use PAL version 25p you can slow it down,
 
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Takumarr said:
if you don't care about working with DV cassett , dvx100 better and cleaner than hvx in SD mode, HVX200 in DV mode is weak unless you want to use the HVX200A
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Yes, I have no problem working with Dv cassettes. I don't have HVX200, what I have exactly is the Panasonic AG-HVX 201AE , is it better?
 
Not better but equal to dvx100 (in SD mode)
200A's superiority, only in HD mode
 
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Trying to whittle down the parameters of the look you have already achieved and want to continue to replicate.

The look of the mid 2000's DV cameras like the DVX was certainly specific, but I never felt that it looked like any kind of film out of the box. The 24p aspect helped immensely with "feeling" like film, but the image didn't replicate film. The question is: are you wanting to replicate the DVX look with a more modern camera, or push further and replicate the 8mm/16mm film look/retro TV reporter look? I have certainly seen and done plenty of the latter, but it would be really interesting and probably a lot harder to try to replicate a specific DV look as that is more subtle.

I believe it is certainly possible to emulate the vintage film look from virtually any modern camera including phones, with the right approach on the post side. There are a ton of ever improving filmlook plug-ins that will manipulate the curve, add grain and weave and other facets of the film look. It's also quite easy to take any HD footage and downres it to SD to take the edge of it, and/or apply softening.

If none of that is of interest and you just want results out of the box, maybe consider hunting down a DVX with fewer hours on it than yours. Chances are the first thing to die on your camera will be the tape mechanism, which could be served by using an outboard recorder, but that's where it gets sticky. As you surely know the only digital out on the camera is firewire and there are no modern firewire recorders, and I'd be inclined to think that buying a vintage one (Firestore, Datavideo etc) will carry the same risk as buying another DVX. At least with the HVX200/201 you have analog component output which can be live-converted to HDMI or SDI with a single box and then any modern onboard recorder can be utilized with relatively minor image quality loss (with the DVX you are down to S-video which will lose a solid amount of quality, although maybe you'd even like those results!)
 
CharlesPapert said:
Trying to whittle down the parameters of the look you have already achieved and want to continue to replicate.

The look of the mid 2000's DV cameras like the DVX was certainly specific, but I never felt that it looked like any kind of film out of the box. The 24p aspect helped immensely with "feeling" like film, but the image didn't replicate film. The question is: are you wanting to replicate the DVX look with a more modern camera, or push further and replicate the 8mm/16mm film look/retro TV reporter look? I have certainly seen and done plenty of the latter, but it would be really interesting and probably a lot harder to try to replicate a specific DV look as that is more subtle.

I believe it is certainly possible to emulate the vintage film look from virtually any modern camera including phones, with the right approach on the post side. There are a ton of ever improving filmlook plug-ins that will manipulate the curve, add grain and weave and other facets of the film look. It's also quite easy to take any HD footage and downres it to SD to take the edge of it, and/or apply softening.

If none of that is of interest and you just want results out of the box, maybe consider hunting down a DVX with fewer hours on it than yours. Chances are the first thing to die on your camera will be the tape mechanism, which could be served by using an outboard recorder, but that's where it gets sticky. As you surely know the only digital out on the camera is firewire and there are no modern firewire recorders, and I'd be inclined to think that buying a vintage one (Firestore, Datavideo etc) will carry the same risk as buying another DVX. At least with the HVX200/201 you have analog component output which can be live-converted to HDMI or SDI with a single box and then any modern onboard recorder can be utilized with relatively minor image quality loss (with the DVX you are down to S-video which will lose a solid amount of quality, although maybe you'd even like those results!)
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Hi, sorry for the delay in reply but I had a lot to do at work.
I understand all your speech and I have already done all the possible tests with the Full HD, then made retrò in post. But I found more beautiful results by filming directly with DV cassette and just fixing curves and colors. It gives me back a more "warm" image. Moreover, I love working in 4: 3 and I don't mind getting to a maximum of 720p. it is enough for me. I think I will go on with my DVX until the tape heads will stop to work.
 
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