24p with letterbox in VEGAS 7 - Im a noob, lol

TDE

TDE

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Hey guys!

Lets start this off, by me saying that I have a great understanding of VEGAS, and have produced a full length DVD with it, and over 60 short films.

I have also ordered barry greens book/dvd combo, but it has not arrived yet.

So, what I have not done yet, or ever, is shot with a DVX100B. And of course, I have the camera in 24p mode, but find that I like the letterbox look much better.

On my VX2100, I shoot in 16:9 mode.

So, I read Mr Jimersons post about how to rip and render 24p video, got it, it works, and I understand.

But adding on the letterbox, here come the problems. I guess I want to know the correct settings to render 24p letterbox video, and maintain the correct proportions, without any black bars on the sides. 100% of my videos made with this camera will be on youtube/vimby/metacafe/streetfire/etc. They are being produced specifically for those sites in fact.

So, if there is a quick explanition, I would like it, a good link, lets see it, and if this is a noob bashing question, go ahead and bash.

Thanks in advance!
 
If you want to render as letterbox, then render as 4:3, not widescreen.

But in my opinion, the better way to go is to work in Widescreen, and crop all the footage to 16:9. Then, you can still render a 4:3 letterboxed version if you want, but you'll still be able to render true widescreen with no black bars at all.
 
David Jimerson said:
If you want to render as letterbox, then render as 4:3, not widescreen.

But in my opinion, the better way to go is to work in Widescreen, and crop all the footage to 16:9. Then, you can still render a 4:3 letterboxed version if you want, but you'll still be able to render true widescreen with no black bars at all.
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That sounds good, but what major social video sites have the backend to support such videos? I have never seen a major video site with true widescreen support.
 
So you'd render as 4:3; it'll automatically add the letterbox. (But check any motion graphics in 4:3 first, just to make sure they don't do anything unexpected.)
 
David Jimerson said:
I'm not sure I see what you're talking about. Any noise looks like it's under control. Blotches?
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When the film first starts up,0:01-0:05 there is trash all over my face/picture. Looks like bad rendering!

In addition, I see the colors somewhat changing as the video rolls along... although the light source was the same throughout.

Thoughts?
 
I don't see any blotches or "trash" anywhere in the clip. You may be seeing that in your video player only.

Also, I don't see any shifting colors; I went through the clip watching the video scopes, and it stayed consistent throughout.

A couple of things, though --

1) For whatever reason, you rendered as 1280x720. If you shot this on the DVX, then you uprezzed; you're going to see artifacting

2) Is the closet light fluorescent? Even if your eye can't see it, it will pulsate, and it will affect the color temp of the ambient light.
 
David Jimerson said:
I don't see any blotches or "trash" anywhere in the clip. You may be seeing that in your video player only.

Also, I don't see any shifting colors; I went through the clip watching the video scopes, and it stayed consistent throughout.

A couple of things, though --

1) For whatever reason, you rendered as 1280x720. If you shot this on the DVX, then you uprezzed; you're going to see artifacting

2) Is the closet light fluorescent? Even if your eye can't see it, it will pulsate, and it will affect the color temp of the ambient light.
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:shocked:

WOW! You are an EXPERT! You nailed it on 1 and 2!

The reason I "uprezzed it" was because when I went to save it, it was the only NTSC option I saw with 24p next to it.

I ripped it, and then used the 2-3-3-2 pulldown in my preferences, but when went to render, it was saying 29.9 again so I searched for one with 24p, etc, which was the 720HD one, etc.

Man, learning so much so quickly...
 
There's probably no preset under WMV, but you can make your own:

640x480

1.000 pixel aspect ratio

23.976 frame rate

The bigger you make your keyframe number, and the lower you set your quality, the more artifacting you'll see.

There shouldn't be any pulldown settings at all in WMV.

Under AVI, there's a 24p NTSC option, with both 2:3 and 2:3:3:2 pulldown options.
 
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