Cinema EOS Announcement on 19th Jan - EOS R5C

I’m surprisingly overall favorable towards the R5C, not because i don’t see the issues, but because the drawbacks are things i am less worried about.

however, Dynamic Range, while 12+ is nothing to frown at, is a bit less than i prefer. i feel a Camera really hits true “cine” status in the high 13+ stop dr range. So, despite me feeling comfortable with all the drawbacks, it may actually come right back to Canon’s lack of DR yet again. idk, i was beginning to become curious about the possibility of iso100 raw video, and gain another stop. but at $4,400 doesn’t seem like they’d put such nuanced improvements in there.

i feel if one is going to design a cine camera without all the modern expectations, then they at least have to blow the seat out with the base image quality, and 12+ stops DR doesn’t quite inspire a buy without IBIS or Internal ND. one of those would’ve been helpful to compensate for the lack of DR.

That kind of means the R5C is just an R5 with the IBIS plate glued to a heat sink and a fan, but 8K 60p is a hack that makes Magic Lantern upgrades feel conservative. lol.

that said, if Canon can add a low iso raw option with more DR, then i’ll buy back into the Canon brand. but if the 1DC taught me anything, don’t give faith to Canon.
 
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i dont know about ibis - remember the gh5s - I do feel that the ibis chip wobbles when car mounting and the like and a hard mount chip is best for such things.
 
morgan_moore said:
i dont know about ibis - remember the gh5s - I do feel that the ibis chip wobbles when car mounting and the like and a hard mount chip is best for such things.
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yes but for a gimbal camera, I'll take the ibis. but I suspect that their line of thinking is more what you're saying than that they had to ditch ibis for cooling. at least, the a7siii/fx3/a7iv mounts the ibis situation to a heat sink

The camera’s design has been optimized to prevent overheating even during extended recording sessions. A unique Sony Σ (sigma) shaped graphite-alloy heatsink is built into the image stabilization unit, allowing the sensor to dissipate heat five times more effectively than in previous models, while allowing it to move freely and avoiding interference with the stabilization system.
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If the R5 could’ve had proper cooling by adding a few heat sinks, like the 1DX/1DC days, seems Canon really fukt consumers over with their overheating issue then.

i’m giving Canon some benefit of the doubt that the R5 sensor ran a bit too hot for their IBIS design, and locking it down to a heat sink with a fan was the more affordable option, as well as appeasing the more ardent “cine” crowd. i can see them getting advice from a few well meaning but clueless film makers that prefer a rigid sensor in body.

But i also hate to think that Canon really could have added phi-beta-sigma looking heat sinks and allowed for proper cooling and IBIS. That would be crappy even for Canon.


For me, IBIS or internal ND makes more sense for the R5C. A rigid locked in sensor is for traditional A cams (Venice) and action cams (Komodo) not cross over “cine” cams like the R5C. Then you just lose the would-be mirrorless revolution buyers, people that want those little extra video features, but also love mirrorless design as their main camera.
 
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Suddenly “Ready for anything” is starting to feel like super sloppy marketing jargon:

Ready for anything if you can plug into AC power

Ready for anything, if you don’t mind micro jitters when handheld

Ready for anything if a red button is more important to your video sensibilities than an extra stop of dynamic range.

Ready for anything except 500fps in HD
 
anyways, as is, in at $4,400 it isn’t the worst option, and in the coming days we may learn some additional features perhaps.

The positive iliff those that already bought the R5 may not feel the need to upgrade after all.
 
morgan_moore said:
i dont know about ibis - remember the gh5s - I do feel that the ibis chip wobbles when car mounting and the like and a hard mount chip is best for such things.
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how often will you use a car mount where IBIS might become an issue compared to shooting professional still where IBIS is more than nice to have.

With the 12 MP GH5s Panasonic made a video camera only and I don't thinks what Canon intends with the R5c.
 
Clermond said:
how often will you use a car mount where IBIS might become an issue compared to shooting professional still where IBIS is more than nice to have.

With the 12 MP GH5s Panasonic made a video camera only and I don't thinks what Canon intends with the R5c.
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well I commented that there was probably no thought

in terms of 'cinematography' and stills having a sensor nailed to the body is appealling to some (me) in that a flappy sensor is obviously a point of failure

is not vr lenses enough?

i find the delays of IS vomit inducing - you move the camera and nothing happens it is most upsettling - I always turn all that sh_it off (apart from when I dont :) )
 
  • Looks nice.
  • Same HDMI Mini output
  • Grrr....
I guess, since you can record continually in HQ and don't need an external recorder for that it's not such a deal breaker?
 
Clermond said:
seriously?

Seems you never shoot stills.
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I shot stills since Tmax was the sensor and IS/VR was not invented.

I might switch on vr if im forced to 1/30 on a 70-200 but that is rare

I dont do too much slow speed blagging as Ive either got enough light or Im setting up my strobes. or a tripod (rare) Maybe this is all a bit 1995
 
A few gotchas or should I say the Canon Cripple Hammer, but at $4500 I like what that will most likely do to the market. I guess Sony are up next to react.
 
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