The New Standard? Highly controlled 100mm 5.6 "sweet spot"

I'm not sure I see the point. You're not comparing apple to apple. That lens alone probably costs more than the HPX by itself and the Scarlet is a 2/3'' sensor. You're not even shooting the same thing.
 
Sorry I posted an incomplete post.

I don't see your point here.

How does a 5,000 dollar prosumer DVCPRO HD camera compare to a prototype 2/3" camera with a prime lens?

What?
I mean honestly, to be blunt, it's pointless. The camera isn't even out out. Instead of worrying about how my camera stacks up to it's distant future competition (by that time i'm sure Panasonic will have released another camera) I would rather shoot with my camera and make the most of it now.
 
My point is ....
You can do close to this with a HVX170 with expert lighting and shooting at the lens "sweet spot".
Let's post some pictures here and see how close we can come ....
It helps to pick the correct subject also.
 
Why?

I'm not sure of your intentions.... Scarlet when it comes out will be in a different league then the 170, even if they do cost about the same. Pulling focus on 2/3inch is harder then 1/3inch and you need to know how to expose for RAW. With the baked in settings on the 170 and the much smaller chips, you really are trying to compare apples to oranges.

That said, a good shooter can make beautiful pictures on any camera. If you ain't got the chops, nothing you shoot on will help.
 
vic777 said:
For fun.
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You see RED just put up the best possible picture they could take with the Scarlet and a RED Pro Prime lens ... it would be informative and fun to see which panasonic ... 170? 300? 500? or ... or .... that it would take to blow that Iguana ..."out of the water".
 
vic777 said:
You see RED just put up the best possible picture they could take with the Scarlet and a RED Pro Prime lens ... it would be informative and fun to see which panasonic ... 170? 300? 500? or ... or .... that it would take to blow that Iguana ..."out of the water".
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I say go for it yourself :)

But none of those cameras (170, 300, 500) are capable of blowing that shot out of the water. Even Kaminski wouldn't be able to make a better shot. It doesn't matter how it's lit or if the camera settings are immaculately perfect for the conditions. That RED PRIME has been toted as being as close, if not superior to Cooke S4's by Mark Pederson over at Off Hollywood (whose opinion I highly respect).

It's straight technical superiority on the lens, resolution, latitude, and probably most important of all... the REDCODE format...

I fail to see how it could be fun to spend time looking for an iguana, setting up conditions and shooting a shot you know is going to look nowhere near as good.
 
Let's see the best HPX500 shots out there ... forget about film look ... there is nothing "film look" in the Iguana shot ...
I think a HPX500 can duplicate this shot.
Pick your own subject matter ... something like an Iguana, that barely moves ....
 
Before you guys write of the challenge...I recommend expanding it just a bit:

1) Open the test to include the HPX300 (which no one has) and the EX1/EX3 (which is popular). Maybe the HPX 500. If using a interchangeable lens camera, rent or find a good piece of glass. Even better, mount a fast clean 20mm or so 35mm prime.

2) Everyone needs to light to put their lenses 1-2 f-stops over wide open, zooms 1/3 in the range. No 35mm adapters.

3) spend time getting the lighting right. No extraneous light...you can't control it and for that level of chroma crispness it needs to be one temperature and crisp. A dark area lit with Arris or the like.

4) Record HD-SDI (or from the HMC150 HDMI) to Cineform. Cineform is a wavelet compression scheme that will be a close match for the Red. It will take a fast dual core or a quad core to compress realtime though.

My guess is you will get amazingly close to the Red.
 
Oh man that creature make me feel sick. Why use that ****ly animal for a test shot of my future camera. Why not a nice pair of boops.
 
DavidNJ said:
Before you guys write off the challenge...I recommend expanding it just a bit:
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David! U the Man!

This is what I am trying to get across ...
I think this is a real interesting challenge.
Red showed us ... "The best that it can do".
Let us show and tell what is necessary to "top" it.

Subject matter is also very important.
 
Umm I wouldn't say that is the best the scarlet can do. I'm sure it's capability of beautifuly cinematic shots exetends furthur than a shot of an iguana. This is simply just a teaser.
 
lifestylefilms said:
Umm I wouldn't say that is the best the scarlet can do. I'm sure it's capability of beautifuly cinematic shots exetends furthur than a shot of an iguana. This is simply just a teaser.
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You will not see a better shot than the Iguana ... now let's see if the EX-3's HPX500's HPX170's can duplicate it.
And those who submit shots ... please provide details on how they were done,
 
vic777 said:
You will not see a better shot than the Iguana ...
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How are you so sure of this?
Or are you just talking about that shot of that iguana under those exact lighting conditions being the best the scarlet can produce? It would be ridiculous to say the sample shot of that iguana is the best the scarlet could produce out of all the future shots it may be put through. Just my opinion.
 
Well you can't tell if somethings good if you haven't seen bad. Considering thats the only footage up, you have nothing else to compare it to from that same camera. So to state right away that this will be the best you will ever see from the scarlet, is a bit silly.
 
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