Want to see my Cool Lights LED 600 Speedring?

puredrifting

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Hi all:

It is finally finished. Below are some images I just took during my first round of real testing with the Cool Lights LED 600s through a small Chimera Quartz Pro softbox. I conceptualized the speedring based upon Richard's design for the included barndoors that come with the light.

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Some notes about the speedring:

1. The best way for this speedring to be constructed would be out of cast aluminum like most of the Chimera speedrings are. We had to build ours from regular soft steel because my friend who welded this together for me is not yet trained on and doesn't have access to a TIG welder, needed to weld aluminum successfully. The ring is heavier than it needs to be but is totally workable with the light.

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2. The good news is that the angle yoke that was selected to control the tilt of the LED 600 is fairly beefy and the light easily holds it's angle with a small Chimera and an egg crate. As many of you who own Arri lights are familiar with, having your Chimera sag and point down to the ground because the nylon yokes on the smaller Arri lights slips when a Chimera with or without an egg crate is a real drag. That will not be an issue with the LED 600. Works like a charm.

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3. This speedring is the version 2.0. We discovered when we fabricated speedring version 1.0 that the angle, tension and spread of the steel rods on the Chimera require that the anchor points for where the rod tips plug in to must be at a certain angle, geometry and spread apart from each other. We had the tips of the Chimera rods going to the corners of the speedring so as to not block any of the LEDs on the fixture. Problem was the Chimera did not spread and hang right with the rods located at the corners of the speedring.

We took measurements on my Arri 1k speedring and used the same geometry and measurements on our ring. (Why reinvent the wheel?). The only way to have made the V1 speedring work correctly would have been to cut down the length of the Chimera rods down about 4" in length but then those rods would have only worked on the LED 600, I would not have been able to use the Chimera on any of my other twenty two lights. So we decided that we could live with blocking about 25 of the 600 5mm LEDs on the LED 600 with this design. If you think about it, light is not that linear either, with our rod extensions on the ring, we are probably only losing a few percent of output, it is negligible.

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4. In tests so far, the speedring works superbly with the LED 600. Both the 5600k Flood and the 5600k Spot models seem to be usable with the Chimera. The Flood spreads out and fills the softbox more thouroughly but doesn't throw as far as the Spot. The Spot throws farther but is more of a hotspot in the Chimera and doesn't fill out the front diffuser panel as much. Since the apparent source size is smaller with the Spot, the thrown light is more specular but still overall, soft.

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5. The speedring is made up of angle iron steel, cut and corner fused. The rod receptacles are actually bored out connector nuts with the bottom part left in to serve as stops for the rods.

Sometimes you just have to take things into your own hands when you want equipment to do things that it was not (yet) intended to do. I am betting that Richard will be able to easily get something like this machined or cast in China for a lot less effort than this one took. I personally think that a majority of LED users will want to use a softbox as the 5mm LEDs have a more specular look and feel than fluorescents or other soft lights. Chimeras kind of make everything better when I light, I really enjoy lighting with them.

The next step in my LED 600 process will be the addition of a battery belt to power the lights for walk and talks and for use in cars. I will also be configuring these lights as the basis of my new location travel interview kit. Still looking for some other small 5600k LED instruments to complement these lights. The thought is to use these two lights as my key and fill source, then use two or three other smaller LEDs as kicker/hairlights and one or two as BG sources to throw patterns and highlight objects. A full LED travel kit will be pretty sweet, small and light.

So far, I am very impressed with these lights, they are pretty amamzing, have much higher output than I thought that they would. The low CRI is not really a limiting factor so far since I intend to build the entire LED kit with instruments that will utilize the same low CRI 5mm LEDs, just in different size configurations.

Enjoy!

Dan
 
Great job! We definitely have been thinking about how we'll do it too when we make our speedring accessory option and softbox kit. When I first started down this LED road, I didn't think a softbox would be possible because I wasn't sure the output would be strong enough but we were pleasantly surprised and pleased with the output compared to other panels including Litepanels 1 x 1 and the Lishuai 500 so we will definitely be doing something along these lines.
 
I can't wait to see your version. How long do you think it will take to have one designed and produced? Is this a 1 month sort of project or a 6 month time line do you think? If it is more toward the 6 month time line, I may fabricate another so that I have one for each of our lights.

I am so impressed with the output of these lights Richard, they are pretty impressive. Nice work and thanks for creating tools like this at a reasonable cost.

Dan
 
Thanks Matt. You will dig these lights, they seem to be pretty impressive for certain situations that have been impossible or impractical before like walk and talks, in cars and as a light, cheap source for a travel kit. Just don't try to mix them with your tungstens or fluoros, the low CRI makes that a bit challenging. But if you use two of these on talent and can mix your other sources for BG lighting, it can work.

Dan
 
Our lead times are a bit long. At least one to two months to design and produce it and then another month just to ship it to the USA with whatever else we happen to be producing / sending at the same time.
 
Are you going to write them up for DV Ned? I think you will like them, they are nice. You just have to get used to the fact that they are not really a soft source and not really a hard source, they are in between. That's why I was so intent on turning at least one of them into a soft source. I still have to experiment with BGs with them, I know that it can be challenging to throw a slash or cucloris pattern with them but I am going to mess with them and see what kind of results I can get.

Enjoy!

Dan
 
Dan,

They will find their way into a DV or Videography article whether as a full review or incorporated into another article. I am hoping to get an Instant Expert lighting column approved and that will go right into it. Meanwhile, a review will go up on my site and I'll send Richard the link.

I'm really looking for a portable alternative to hot lights since I basically do highly portable types of things rather than studio work. The LED 600's along with some of the portable fluos could answer the question.

Ned
 
Great job, Dan! I'd love to get a set for my 600's at some point down the road. What's the largest sized softbox would you say can be used with the 600's?
 
I thought about this for quite a while before doing this panel. I think its better to put them out with as hard a light with maximum throw possible so you have the strength there to work with. Otherwise, lets say you use 100 to 120 degree LEDs. Yes you get a nice spread of soft light, but very weak too. Better to soften it up when you need it with some diffusion.

One thing I did notice though when using different kinds of LEDs: the wider the beam angle, the better the CRI seemed to be. In other words, less green bias in the LEDs. Lots of tradeoffs.
 
Leo:

Based upon my shooting so far, you can only use these lights with an Extra Small (16" X 22") or a Small (24" X 32") Chimera. There is not nearly enough spread to fill up a medium (36" x 48"), although if you used the cool new multiple light bars that Richard is offering, three or four of the LED 600s would nicely fill up a medium Chimera.

But at the total cost, I would go to a Barger Bag Light over LED. Much more output for about the same money as four of the LED 600s.

Dan
 
I want like two or three of these LED lamps with battery ports. Night shooting with mobile power... yum.

Great lookin' product, Dan and Richard.
 
Hi Buck:

I don't think that will work at all and even if it did, you would be blocking the output of a lot of the LEDs in the light with it.

I pretty much looked carefully at all 300 or so speedrings that Chimera makes before I decided to design my own. I didn't see anything off of the shelf that would work. Also, all of the Chimera speed rings that are pretty large that looked as if they might work on the LED 600 with modification were in the $200.00 to $300.00 price range. Kind of ridiculous on a $400.00 light.

Richard will have a solution eventually.

Dan
 
LED 600 is too big /heavy for my tota lite and Chimera Video Pro bank. It blocks access to the ring for the 4 support rods.

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