SGblade Beta Tester Reviews & Feedback’

Smettli, (or anyone who has used the Rotorazor2)

compared to the Sgpro would you say there are any differece in terms of image quality ?
if there is anything different, what would you say is different?
also how do you like the Sgblade compared to the Sgpro? (overall)
 
I'd love to see if the light loss difference from SGpro to SGblade with RR1 in it is measurable.

I'd say the image from SGpro to SGblade with RR2 is quite different. The original GG, on top of the obvious differences like speed and bokeh rendition, might add a bit of a grain-like effect... something... perhaps the words and understanding escapes me so much I shouldn't even try to comment on it. I'll leave that to the DOPs and avid shooters in the thread to discuss... but there is something magic about the original that is missing on the RR2.

I'd say those of you with both RR1 and RR2 have a phenomenal adapter... I'd shoot with the RR1 and swap for night exterior stuff or use it when no lights are available, time is short, etc...

I can't wait to see some 200 and 170 footage! which will obviously be far superior in every way to both the crappy EX1 and the crappy A1, :D just kiddin' :thumbsup:

Thanks to both of you for posting footage!
Good looking stuff.
 
USLatin said:
I'd love to see if the light loss difference from SGpro to SGblade with RR1 in it is measurable.

I'd say the image from SGpro to SGblade with RR2 is quite different. The original GG, on top of the obvious differences like speed and bokeh rendition, might add a bit of a grain-like effect... something... perhaps the words and understanding escapes me so much I shouldn't even try to comment on it. I'll leave that to the DOPs and avid shooters in the thread to discuss... but there is something magic about the original that is missing on the RR2.

I'd say those of you with both RR1 and RR2 have a phenomenal adapter... I'd shoot with the RR1 and swap for night exterior stuff or use it when no lights are available, time is short, etc...

I can't wait to see some 200 and 170 footage! which will obviously be far superior in every way to both the crappy EX1 and the crappy A1, :D just kiddin' :thumbsup:

Thanks to both of you for posting footage!
Good looking stuff.
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Maybe the word you are looking for is texture?

My feeling is that we haven't seen enough RR2 footage to say that it's very different from the original SGpro. I've seen SGpro footage that looked different from another SGpro footage. There are so many factors that can affect the "look". The RR2 GG is supposedly the same material that the original SGpro used. One difference is that the Blade's optics are likely much better.

Time will tell.
 
Yea... texture might be a perfect word for it, which like grain would help tie in everything in the frame... I just read that on an other thread and it made sense that grain would have an effect like that... so long as it was pleasing... not like noise, especially luma noise that is only on the shadows... perhaps new generations will learn to associate noise to beautiful images and it will carry a positive subliminal effect for them... it might for us in a few years. anywho...

Where is your FOOTY! :)
 
My ROTOrazor 1 footage is already posted in another thread. I'll shoot some ROTOrazor 2 footage as soon as the weather cooperates which, unfortunately, probably won't be until next week.
 
mvansomeren said:
My ROTOrazor 1 footage is already posted in another thread. I'll shoot some ROTOrazor 2 footage as soon as the weather cooperates which, unfortunately, probably won't be until next week.
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Oh, thanks for the heads up. I haven't been looking elsewhere. Searching...
 
ROTOrazor 2 uses exactly the same Imaging Element as used in the SGpro. The Bokeh characteristics and texture are identical.
 
Yeah, I can't see the difference between the sgpro and blade/rotorazor2 either. I have been shooting stuff around my house to death with both adapters and looks the same to me.
Here is a bad comparison of the sgpro and rotorazor2(the sgblade wasn't zoomed in enough, though):


sgblade-vs-sgpro.jpg
 
I know, numbers are harder to remember than names.
They should have been called rotorazor1 and rotorazor-awesome!

And for those who wondered the build quality on the blade over the sgpro(keep in mind that I have the beta unit), I really dig the sgblade, it is more compact, easier setup, easier adjustable and have a more solid feel with less flex. On top of that it has the internal battery pack, speed knob, tape hook and stills preserves the image of my beloved sgpro, I couldn't ask for more really. There's a reason I will be buying a production unit as well :)
 
the RR2 is perfect for 720p and SD cameras. the incresed sharpness of the RR1 if really critical in 1080p cameras, like EX1 and HVX in 1080p mode. Though, i must say the EX1 which i have been using lately, is NOT kind to faces. It really resolves every imperfection, then draws a white line around it to emphasize it more, then makes sure it stands out more by actually being able to record it to 1080p signal.

haha.

I have yet to put theEX1 on a RR2 or Sgpro. i want to see how the subtle sofness of the adapter effects the insane res of the EX1....
 
TimurCivan said:
the RR2 is perfect for 720p and SD cameras. the incresed sharpness of the RR1 if really critical in 1080p cameras, like EX1 and HVX in 1080p mode. Though, i must say the EX1 which i have been using lately, is NOT kind to faces. It really resolves every imperfection, then draws a white line around it to emphasize it more, then makes sure it stands out more by actually being able to record it to 1080p signal.

haha.

I have yet to put theEX1 on a RR2 or Sgpro. i want to see how the subtle sofness of the adapter effects the insane res of the EX1....
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so the RR1 is sharper than RR2? Am going to test the RR2 with the tube, no flip on Saturday with my EX3...
 
the RR2 is the Sgpro standard GG. Its the one with the nice bokeh and pretty gamma trandsmission..
 
I am really looking forward to your tests and footage guys, both Timur's and Philip. I just hope we get some HVX-200 stuff soon which for some reason seems to be too little despite of being DVXuser lol I assumed there would be a lot more, and we'd have at least two or three videos by now.

I better stop whining so much. :lipsrseal
 
TimurCivan said:
Though, i must say the EX1 which i have been using lately, is NOT kind to faces. It really resolves every imperfection, then draws a white line around it to emphasize it more, then makes sure it stands out more by actually being able to record it to 1080p signal.
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Turn down your detail settings Timur. Many people turn them off altogether.
Be careful though very low detail actually softens the picture artificially and is much softer that detail off.
I seem to remember that - 20 o r -25 was the same as detail off. Check it out yourself though.

Lenny Levy
 
The RR2 is rotorazor my friend. The RRM M2 is the Redrock micro M2. The M2e is Redrock's newest adapter. However there have been three. The micro35, the M2, and now the M2e. So in essence... the encore would be the RR3 if anything.
 
Lenilenapi said:
Turn down your detail settings Timur. Many people turn them off altogether.
Be careful though very low detail actually softens the picture artificially and is much softer that detail off.
I seem to remember that - 20 o r -25 was the same as detail off. Check it out yourself though.

Lenny Levy
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Really cause i turned it to -99 assuming that was off, and it looked like garbage, so i turned PP off...
 
yeah it can throw you.
I just saw another thread confirming - 25 is equiv to turning detail off.
But don't turn off the PP menu just the detail inside it.

Lenny
 
the EX1 has really weird menues. It took some time to get used to it. It also was buggy... like. Gain didnt work sometimes, or the Focus assist refused to fucntion. Switch the cam off then on, and it was fine but obnoxious to do when trying to shoot a doc....

Overall LOVED the camera. Will buy one, cant wait to try it on a Blade...
 
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