First rap song I've liked in years....(Jocko Sims)

ugafan said:
this dude was way ahead of his time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzldKO7Am9c
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All joking aside this indeed this could be the first actually rap. This guy was a comedian and was around in my parents era. My dad makes passing references to him sometimes.

triplej96 said:
Good to see everyone is reminiscing about rap and hip hop :) lol.

Yeah you are right nathyn Jocko is Hip Hop and his stuff sounded really unique.
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Remember PM Dawn. He had that smooth laid back sound all the ladies went for? You had so many different kinds of Hip-Hop including romantic.

-Nate
 
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I posted an off the cuff rant back in April in the cafe about hip hop which led to Beat Takeshi joining in at post #70 I believe. At that point things started getting really interesting.

I didn't know who Beat was then other than the odd dvxfest shorts and what not but have since been keeping in touch with him from time to time and with what his current and future projects are. A guy with quite a bit of interesting history there.

It's a long thread, but Beat's comments throughout are most notable in particular for those interested in the hip hop origins. Educated me all to hell on the matter. :)


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=131791&highlight=dead&page=7


// And from that thread on the first page I must say this one set me aback. Some good stuff in there.

PerroneFord said:
Hip Hop began as a medium for inner city youth to speak out about their social condition. It had social conscious and was primarily directed at people in a similar condition. The problem was that it was often quite heavy and the message was often quite political. And it was pretty hard to dance to!

Rap began as a splinter, generally from the same inner-city groups but was an attempt to be more "musical" and provide some entertainment at parties. In the beginning, it was mostly just bantering back and forth among DJs with good natured ribbing. Lot's of fun. And it was a primarily east coast phenomenon. Mostly NYC, and Philly. As things spread, it took on geographic overtones. LA added their gangsta culture and some felt it signaled the demise of the genre. Miami added some latin influence with strong bass and it sparked a whole new thing in the mid to late 80s. It was misogynistic but in general, they, like the new york crowd were disgusted with the gangsta stuff coming from the west coast.

And then things went commercial. There was the typical over saturation, and the splinter group pushing extremes to keep commercial entities from ruining the inner city voice.

Today we are left with a variety of small genres. There are the hip-hop purists that still do it the old way. You can listen to an entire album and hear little to no foul language, excellent musicality, etc. But it doesn't get on the radio much. You can hear the last vestiges of the gangsta stuff with the requisite hard language. You can hear the very commercialized stuff that plays on the radio ad nauseum, especially the Atlanta derivatives that were born out of a mix of Miami and LA. It's a mess.

Frankly, I don't see it as badly as many others might. All major types of music goes through these phases. Mozart was castigated for writing the Marriage of Figaro. Miles Davis was admonished when he departed the old sound for the likes of Bitches Brew. Muddy Waters was a heretic for bringing electric guitar to Blues. Elvis Presley dared to actually DANCE to rock and roll music. Heresy!

Unfortunately, much of white America has not been privy to the history and origins of hip-hop/rap and by hearing such a small subsection of it, they deem it all crap. Which is truly a shame. It's like going to see nothing but "B" grade horror flicks and declaring the entire genre crap.
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Good stuff, but Beat left out the "House" culture that was happening right here in the Chi. Chicago was home to house music with DJs like Frankie Knuckles (credited as the first house DJ) and Jesse Saunders. The music started out around Cabrini Green projects. Then they added rap and then you had hip-hop.

I was down but a lot of house purest weren't "feelin' it", they just wanted the tracks. In my opinion hip-house led to groups like the KLF (The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu a.k.a "The Timelords" for you Dr. Who fans) and others with that sound.

KLF was the first to combine Rap and Country. Check out the song "The KLF-Justified & Ancient" (Stand by the Jam). Country great Tammy Wynette lends her awesome voice to the hook on the track along with "Richardo Da Force" who lends the rap vocals. This is pure dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVM4UkQdR8A&feature=related.

-Nate
 
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The rap started around 2:22 for a few seconds. My first response was Disco. And to say that was rap is something I'd disagree with.

That was a pathetic examaple of everything I believe in artistically from the standpoint of being an honest musical artist. Total commercail crap on the highest disgusting level imo.

So, yeah, I thought that was pathetic from an artists point of view.
Maybe not so much from an entertainers POV or maybe a cash bucket POV, but that's another story.

//lol, I have to laugh at myself. I have a few beers and tend to rant but I'm hangin out so I don't mean to sound like a prick. Just shootin the ****. man. Jeez, know what I'm sayin?
Alright....

-Gord. :)
 
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I just said I think that hip-house was the inspiration. KLF was a lot of things (as you can see). It's not Rok Da House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fW_MSlyvAo and there's more Cookie Crew on youtube) but I mean come on. But KLF did indeed use both a Hip Hop MC and a Country Singer on the same track at a point when both no one would every think either musical form would get near to mixing. Today we have Cowboy Troy so "times are a changin' "

I enjoyed KLF immensely. They were probably the first group of this kind that I liked. I was never a fan of dance music without lyrics. Even though KLM were weird and their videos were insane. Then again anything's better than Pet Shop Boys "Go West" Video.

-Nate
 
True story about why that video will be forever remembered. A friend and I were watching the local video channel at the time (more of a show than a channel). And the video came on. We figured PSB, can't be too bad. Boy were we wrong. That video got MSTed for a long time (at least an hour and a half). The big issue is it's length. It's not very long (4 minutes or so) but it's repaticious nature made it feel like it was. It made you want find their editor and beat him with the After Effects book. (Or whatever they used in that time). The irony is, in all honesty the song itself was pretty good. Every once and awhile I'll send that video to him out of the blue. Some may think it's mean but it's it is what it is. :)

-Nate
 
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Just curious as to what some of your favorite hip hop videos have been. The Pharcyde's "Drop" is one of my favorites.
And do you guys know that people are referring to late 80's early 90's hip hop as "Golden Era"? Makes me feel real old.
 
OMG! That is funny.

Skribbleman said:
Just curious as to what some of your favorite hip hop videos have been. The Pharcyde's "Drop" is one of my favorites.
And do you guys know that people are referring to late 80's early 90's hip hop as "Golden Era"? Makes me feel real old.
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My favorite would easily be "Walk this Way" by Run DMC and Aerosmith (I liked both groups so I loved this song), Beastie Boys "Fight For Your Right to Party" and "Parents Just Don't Understand" by, well we know who that's by D.J. Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (a.k.a Will Smith). LL Cool J's "Momma Say Knock You Out" is in there too. But "Walk this Way" was my number #1 (It's Tricky probably #2).

In the late 80's early 90's Hip Hop was indeed golden but, yea it does make you feel old. LOL. I mean the fact I remember Surgar Hill Gang, Curtis Blow and Cool Moe D. says it all. When I said Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five's "The Message" was the first rap I heard, I wasn't kidding. This was released in 1981 or so. I was eight. My favorite songs at the time was this and - well - The Monkee's "Last Train to Clarksville". :huh:

The eighties was such a great time for music because of the variety. People like P. Diddy and DMX use hooks from people like "The Police" and "Phil Collins" for a reason. Can you imagine those names in the same sentence? As a matter of fact if you do a search DMX's "I Can Feel It" does indeed feature Phil Collins. Music was music in the eighties and you listened to what was good, period. The variety isn't there anymore. It's either Hip Hop, Pop Rock, or R&B.

In the good old days Run DMC, Metallica, Phil Collins, Michael Jackson, Madonna and the rest could easily be on the same video show right behind each other. Then again twenty years from now some guy will be saying the same thing about L'il Wayne, Dashboard Confessional and AFI so what do I know.

-Nate
 
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The 80's were the best!!! Hip-Hop's best decade. All the classics came out. 1988 specifically. I was in 8th grade. The summer of '88 was the best of my life! Man if I could back for one week. Where the hell is Doc and his Delorean when you need him.

And "drop" was a great video. They just could not get the words right. Weird Al did a great job with the reverse thing on the Amish Paradise video. (very funny song btw)

Here is one. Who remembers the Rappin' Duke? Da Ha Da Ha..
 
"well you think your bad with your raps well i'll tell ya pilgrim i started this crap. while you were in diapers and wetting the sheets i was at the ponderosa rappin to the beat,da ha da ha"

one of my goofy faves :)

I have a pretty large collection of 80's 12"
 
Rappin' Duke. I didn't get it at first. Then I caught on at the word pilgrim and ponderosa. LOL.

-Nate
 
matt s. said:
"well you think your bad with your raps well i'll tell ya pilgrim i started this crap. while you were in diapers and wetting the sheets i was at the ponderosa rappin to the beat,da ha da ha"

one of my goofy faves :)

I have a pretty large collection of 80's 12"
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LMAO! I still play that. It is on my ipod. My wife hates it. I sold all of my vinyl years ago when I stopped mixing. But I never had the duke.
enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2BpwT_8JzU
 
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