Hard to go back to an adapter...

Beat Takeshi

Beat Takeshi

Two-Hip Shakur
...after shooting with our RED.
We have had the camera for 3 weeks but have been too busy to play with it until yesterday.
Here is my first RED screen grabs.

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Still have sooooooo much to learn now though. I don't sleep cause I'm reading every post on REDuser at night. All these gamma spaces to know, LUT's, XMLs, codecs, work arounds, conforms, etc...my head is spinning.

I still have my Brevis and will probably using it for a long time. Not everyone can pay for the RED so my HVX will still be the work horse I think.
 
Im right there with you. I can't stand fiddling with crappy mounts, poor rod supports, soft images, lack of wide angle support, poor collimation...so on and so forth.

Once you realize you can freely adjust ISO, remotely control Iris, Zoom, and Focus from an iPhone, use any focal length you desire, have a reliable/dependable rod system and build quality, no step up rings, and a picture 4x the resolution of HD....you hate spinning on achromats and flip prisms.

I know the RED is expensive, but I have shot with Sony EX, HVX and HPX with every single adapter package in some configuration or another, and it is still hard to go back.

Timur, ISO is 320 on the RED.
 
I shot 320 but changed it in REDcine just to see what it does. There are so many options to play with on camera but they are all changeable in REDcine. Kind of feels like you can shoot as long as you can see an image on the viewfinder and tweak later. Nothing is burned into the image, its all metadata. Even the color balance/temp can be changed.
 
Build 16 and I took a snapshot from REDcine at whatever size fit my screen. The 4k file was so big I could only see her glasses on the screen.
I still don't know what I'm doing in REDcine though because I have some outside footage that looks noisy no matter what I do. It might be because I used a 200 zoom outside but I can't really see that being a problem.

I don't know if you can see this but if you can its 100 fps 2k using avid DNxHD codec. The shots where the trees are behind the lady with the dogs looks noisy but this is my first clip I ever exported too and I'm on a 7 year old PC so you can imagine the response I get... actually I can play back 2k footage at half rez no problem if you can believe that.
http://www.puffinfilms.com/RED/WEBRiverside2.mov
 
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I agree--it's liberating being able to leave the 35mm adapters behind. They're soooo fussy. And the light loss gets to be exhausting. But they're still a great low-cost solution.

You don't need $50K for a Red, however. Second hand ones are starting to pop up, and those prices are getting more reasonable. If you're willing to shoot with an adapter, you can definitely cobble together an indie package to shoot Red for $22K. Go halfers with a trusted friend, and you're suddenly looking at $11K.

Downside? Red's too big and heavy to throw in your knapsack when you wanna just run out of the house and shoot something.
 
Hey guys, if you have no equipment for the workflow, and you decide to get a red, how much total money are you looking at to be able to shoot, download, edit, etc with the RED? I mean all expenses for equipment and everything.
 
Its a never ending hole. Its hard to say what the minimum is because you can edit with the SD proxie on something like what I'm on. Its just when its time to render you better go take a vacation.
Here is a little video on the new mac book.
http://www.vimeo.com/1996939
 
I hear you about RED. I partnered and put down a deposit. I'll have all kinds of questions for you in about two months. However, there's something to be said about a small camera, a few cards and an adaptor. A piece I recently did with an EX1/Ultimate is getting me all kinds of response/work. I'm not sure at the budget we'd been able to pull it off with RED.

As far as the above comment about used RED market. They ain't one - yet. Anyone that's used is selling them above list to bypass the wait. Went down the route already. With RED's upgrades and credit for Epic, it just may hold it's value better than you may think.
 
Tim Naylor said:
IAs far as the above comment about used RED market. They ain't one - yet. Anyone that's used is selling them above list to bypass the wait. Went down the route already. With RED's upgrades and credit for Epic, it just may hold it's value better than you may think.
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That would be nice...but it's really just beginning. I'm seeing an increasing number of Red cameras for sale. And now that the company has pretty much caught up to orders, you can order a new and receive it within a few months of that order, with the full one year warranty. The Red will hold its value for a while, because of the Epic exchange, you're right. But the camera's second-hand price is starting to come down--to say nothing of the accessories which are dropping very quickly in price. Just sayin' there's ways to get this stuff for below the cost of a new camera, along with the usual caveats about anything used (buyer beware). One thing is a definite: Red is incredibly honorable as a company, and buying new products directly from them gives you great peace of mind, because they back them up. Once Epic comes out, I just can't see second hand Reds holding their value too much beyond that. Like all technology. Used HVXs are pretty economical now. I remember when they were the "next great thing" about 18 months ago.
 
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