External LCD monitor with component input
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Leo Versola
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I received an email from Dale yesterday and there are several pre-production prototypes which can be purchased for $450 (one of which I've tagged for myself) until the production models are available; no release date as of yet...
KeeganFlynn
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Sounds like they axed the 12" and it's now going to be a 8.9" monitor...
Avenger007
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Small HD - This looks like a great option for video village. I'd pay $1500 for HD-SDI and a better shell. They need a $1k HD-SDI model that is 9" or 8.5"
dantewaters
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So there goes my plans on buying the nebtek...
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bronxjragon
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Since I never go handheld-run-and-gun I use a 24inch full HD Gateway monitor with component input (refurbished for 320 bucks). The 1:1 size and the 24" makes focusing a pleasure.
Frank
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Rob DuBree
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Pixel Resolution vs. Image Processing
Pixel Resolution vs. Image Processing
Hi Everyone,
I just saw this post and want to make sure that everyone understands what determines having a focus friendly unit.
That being said, here is one thing that everyone keeps missing. More pixels does not mean a better image. The Marshall, Ikan, TV Logic & Panasonic all have roughly the same amount of pixels so why do these units all have different image quality? The answer is image processing. You can use one of the best LCD panels on the planet, and unless you have a high quality image processor then you don't have a sharper picture. Case in point...
Why does the Marshall look better that the Ikan?
Better image processor.
Why do the Panasonic, TV Logic and NEBTEK monitors look better than the Marshall?
Better image processor.
There are higher resolution panels that have been coming out of China for the last year. Perfect example... the RED camera 5.8" HD LCD. It boasts a higher pixel ratio (1024x600) than almost every 7" monitor on the market today, and it's actually smaller. So why isn't everyone buying one of these units to use on they're cameras? Because the image processor quality is not there. It doesn't look sharper than a Panasonic, it doesn't look sharper than a TV Logic, and it doesn't look sharper than a NEBTEK.
Remember that more pixels does not mean sharper image on anything other than low end user monitors who don't spend money on high quality image processing. Imagine an Ikan quality image processor on a monitor with higher resolution. Same internal components, same Chinese assembly line quality... only a higher resolution panel. Sure it looks sharper than the previous Ikan version, but will it hold up a gainst a Panasonic... probably not. Even when you increase the size of the LCD panel to achieve "native resolution" then you are no longer talking about an onboard camera monitor. You may as well buy a C-stand and mount it to that, because it is no longer field friendly. These are the trade-offs we all have to deal with everyday.
The bottom line is that you should never rush into buying anything because a company boasts more pixels than their competitors. Look at the unit first to make sure the image is focus friendly. Can you see the monitor outside or in brightly lit studio conditions? Does the monitor offer the necessary features that you need? There are plenty of options available to you, but only you can decide what those features are worth. If your spending a lot less than what is already on the market today then the odds are your getting exactly what you pay for.
I hope this helps,
Rob DuBree
Pixel Resolution vs. Image Processing
Hi Everyone,
I just saw this post and want to make sure that everyone understands what determines having a focus friendly unit.
That being said, here is one thing that everyone keeps missing. More pixels does not mean a better image. The Marshall, Ikan, TV Logic & Panasonic all have roughly the same amount of pixels so why do these units all have different image quality? The answer is image processing. You can use one of the best LCD panels on the planet, and unless you have a high quality image processor then you don't have a sharper picture. Case in point...
Why does the Marshall look better that the Ikan?
Better image processor.
Why do the Panasonic, TV Logic and NEBTEK monitors look better than the Marshall?
Better image processor.
There are higher resolution panels that have been coming out of China for the last year. Perfect example... the RED camera 5.8" HD LCD. It boasts a higher pixel ratio (1024x600) than almost every 7" monitor on the market today, and it's actually smaller. So why isn't everyone buying one of these units to use on they're cameras? Because the image processor quality is not there. It doesn't look sharper than a Panasonic, it doesn't look sharper than a TV Logic, and it doesn't look sharper than a NEBTEK.
Remember that more pixels does not mean sharper image on anything other than low end user monitors who don't spend money on high quality image processing. Imagine an Ikan quality image processor on a monitor with higher resolution. Same internal components, same Chinese assembly line quality... only a higher resolution panel. Sure it looks sharper than the previous Ikan version, but will it hold up a gainst a Panasonic... probably not. Even when you increase the size of the LCD panel to achieve "native resolution" then you are no longer talking about an onboard camera monitor. You may as well buy a C-stand and mount it to that, because it is no longer field friendly. These are the trade-offs we all have to deal with everyday.
The bottom line is that you should never rush into buying anything because a company boasts more pixels than their competitors. Look at the unit first to make sure the image is focus friendly. Can you see the monitor outside or in brightly lit studio conditions? Does the monitor offer the necessary features that you need? There are plenty of options available to you, but only you can decide what those features are worth. If your spending a lot less than what is already on the market today then the odds are your getting exactly what you pay for.
I hope this helps,
Rob DuBree
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KeeganFlynn
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You can use the RED LCDs on something other than a RED? I'm pretty sure it's fairly proprietary...
On a side note, RED's newer 7" LCD is amazing.
On a side note, RED's newer 7" LCD is amazing.
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Dark Side of the Camera
If you have a full HD Monitor with 1:1 pixel count, there is not much processing going on in terms of resizing and all.
My eyes aren´t the best anymore so having this 24" screen is verry helpfull.
I messed up 2 shots (focuswise) in my last production.
The 2 shots that I did not have the big monitor and relied on the HVX monior and a crappy 7" display.
Frank
My eyes aren´t the best anymore so having this 24" screen is verry helpfull.
I messed up 2 shots (focuswise) in my last production.
The 2 shots that I did not have the big monitor and relied on the HVX monior and a crappy 7" display.
Frank
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Rob DuBree
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Your absolutely right Keegan,
The Red 5.6" is basically an LCD panel in a plastic case, but there is a way to connect it to a controller board and use it for other applications. Of course by the time you do a custom mod your over the price of most of the HD monitors that have a better image. I apologize if my e-mail wasn't specific, but it was starting to become a little long... so I cut back where I could.
I haven't seen the new RED 7", but we provided a NEB70HDS for Jarred Land a little over a month ago. He needed a confidence monitor that would provide an accurate (unsquezzed) Anamorphic for 4:3 format. We were able to tweak our firmware to provide exactly what he needed. When I contacted him to ask about the image on our monitor his reply was "BAD ASS... the monitor works perfectly".
We are also one of the very few units taht will accept 1 2k signal directly from the Phantom HD and Dalsa cameras.
I love the idea of that 24" dolly cart, but for "run & gun" I need something a bit more manageable. Even the Panasonic 17" can be a back breaker on multiple setups.
-Rob
The Red 5.6" is basically an LCD panel in a plastic case, but there is a way to connect it to a controller board and use it for other applications. Of course by the time you do a custom mod your over the price of most of the HD monitors that have a better image. I apologize if my e-mail wasn't specific, but it was starting to become a little long... so I cut back where I could.
I haven't seen the new RED 7", but we provided a NEB70HDS for Jarred Land a little over a month ago. He needed a confidence monitor that would provide an accurate (unsquezzed) Anamorphic for 4:3 format. We were able to tweak our firmware to provide exactly what he needed. When I contacted him to ask about the image on our monitor his reply was "BAD ASS... the monitor works perfectly".
We are also one of the very few units taht will accept 1 2k signal directly from the Phantom HD and Dalsa cameras.
I love the idea of that 24" dolly cart, but for "run & gun" I need something a bit more manageable. Even the Panasonic 17" can be a back breaker on multiple setups.
-Rob