New nikon d90 dslr shoots 720/24p using the full sensor! (for $999)

filmkid said:
The primary drawbacks of the D90, as a video camera, are no XLR outputs and no professional viewfinder. .
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There is a much larger issue that need to be addressed: how existing live view nikon's overheat and become unusable after 5 minutes (sometimes taking 15 minutes plus to cool down before being able to take still photos again, let alone turn on live view again. I've yet to see any pratical hint (let alone demonstration of D-movie) that it will hold up to the rigeurs and demands of shooting a short or documentary


that said, i preordered my d90. it fits the bill perfectly for some spontaneous 90 second video clips that would have required rental of a pd170 . and it will serve as interim camera untill i replace my aging d200 with the d700.

viva la revolutione!
 
"There is a much larger issue that need to be addressed: how existing live view nikon's overheat and become unusable after 5 minutes (sometimes taking 15 minutes plus to cool down before being able to take still photos again, let alone turn on live view again. I've yet to see any pratical hint (let alone demonstration of D-movie) that it will hold up to the rigeurs and demands of shooting a short or documentary"

As with all rumors, I'll wait until the camera is reviewed and used before I pass judgement. My point was not to say that this is a professional video camera, but at what it hints at for the future.....
 
I just can speak for myself: I was planning to buy a D90 anyway and I'm very pleased with that sweet extra. It's like getting a Bolex with unlimited filmmeters gratis!
 
For $1000 (US) I think it's a bargain. Think of all the time slice stuff you could achieve with a bunch of those cameras stacked around the place.

Can't wait to get my hands on some and remember it's not the size, cost or quality that counts...it's what you do with it.
 
utako.o said:
There is a much larger issue that need to be addressed: how existing live view nikon's overheat and become unusable after 5 minutes (sometimes taking 15 minutes plus to cool down before being able to take still photos again, let alone turn on live view again. I've yet to see any pratical hint (let alone demonstration of D-movie) that it will hold up to the rigeurs and demands of shooting a short or documentary


that said, i preordered my d90. it fits the bill perfectly for some spontaneous 90 second video clips that would have required rental of a pd170 . and it will serve as interim camera untill i replace my aging d200 with the d700.

viva la revolutione!
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From what I can find on the net: "overheating" is speculation at this point. Previews are using the words "likely due to overheating" for the 5 min limit. I would not be surprised if the time limit has some marketing issues. :huh:. So, that's my speculation. :laugh:
 
The 5 minute limit is only for the highest resolution (hd) shooting mode, the other 2 video modes have a 20 minute limit. If it's getting too hot after 5 minutes, how is it able to shoot for 20 in the latter modes?
 
John Godden said:
From what I can find on the net: "overheating" is speculation at this point. Previews are using the words "likely due to overheating" for the 5 min limit. I would not be surprised if the time limit has some marketing issues. :huh:. So, that's my speculation. :laugh:
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Live View overheating on the d300 is a well known issue.
d-slr's are finicky in the heat.. during long photoshoots where the shutter isn't snapping every second under all the hot lights,etc.

we can all hope Nikon made some useability improvements in the last 12 months since Live View was introduced.

all the excitement demonstrated in these threads will probably be actual reality in two to three years down the road, where you can hit the d-movie button and shoot 5 minute clips at will with the same ease as snapping a still.
 
this is getting crazy. Everything you dreamed of and hoped for is emerging from all the least likely places.
 
to me, this seams like the natural evolution of the thing

i remember when i first heard about Red (what was it like 3 years ago) i said to a buddy of mine, "the dude from Okley is trying to get a DSLR to take pictures fast enough to mimic a 35mm motion picture camera" remember the details where foggy at the time.

it only took nikon a few years to figure out how to do it at a fraction of the cost.

now I'm not comparing nikons 720p for 5 min max to the red one exactly just comparing the overall concept.

I think a lot of these companies have this stuff sitting on the shelves and they just bleed it out to consumers when they need a payday. Seriously, DSLR have been able to do rapid fire pictures for years at 15fps or so at much higher resolution than 1280x720. so they figured out how to do it at 24 fps. Not that much of a stretch. and the 5 min thing could probably be overcome easily enough, but then the camera would cost 2K instead. (they already have it of course, but they will probably sit on it till they sell all the d90 they are likely too.

my $.02

john
 
Some details confirmed

Some details confirmed

I went to Nikon D90 demonstration event today at Shibuya, Tokyo.

I had a chance to use it and ask some questions to the sales reps directly.

To summarize some of the point we are all concerned about, read below.

1 Exposure is lockable via. pushing AE/AF button while shooting. I did try this myself and it worked. The pain is that you need to be pushing it during entire shot if you don't want any exposure change happening.

2 HDMI out is possible but it includes UI. I would say, crop the top and bottom and you will get nice stretched cinema scope video/film.

3 Rolling shutter is evident and pretty bad. Even when I compared to my HV10. Very slow panning would be OK but normal panning will easily expose the effect.

4 5min shooting limitation is not due to chip set overheat nor live view screen overheat.
It is programmed that way. This, I don't understand why but I did try shooting pretty long time (not 5min) then stop and shoot again. It did work and did not seem to present any problem at all.
 
Hi,

I leave for Tokyo 11 hours or so. Does Nikon have an official release date in Japan?

Thanks, frisco



sugoroku said:
I went to Nikon D90 demonstration event today at Shibuya, Tokyo.

I had a chance to use it and ask some questions to the sales reps directly.

To summarize some of the point we are all concerned about, read below.

1 Exposure is lockable via. pushing AE/AF button while shooting. I did try this myself and it worked. The pain is that you need to be pushing it during entire shot if you don't want any exposure change happening.

2 HDMI out is possible but it includes UI. I would say, crop the top and bottom and you will get nice stretched cinema scope video/film.

3 Rolling shutter is evident and pretty bad. Even when I compared to my HV10. Very slow panning would be OK but normal panning will easily expose the effect.

4 5min shooting limitation is not due to chip set overheat nor live view screen overheat.
It is programmed that way. This, I don't understand why but I did try shooting pretty long time (not 5min) then stop and shoot again. It did work and did not seem to present any problem at all.
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Official release date

Official release date

HI frisco,

I believe official release date is set at September 19th. So, people in US may get it sooner.

By the way, if you are coming to Tokyo tomorrow, the event is going to be held at Shibuya tomorrow too so you might want to check this out for yourself.

It is at Shibuya 'ranKing ranQueen Shibuya' at Tokyu department west building 2nd floor. It should be going on until tomorrow 18:00.

Phone number is 03-3770-5480

IF you cannot, there is another one on September 6th and 7th at Ikebukuro.

I hope you can make it.
 
Hey Sugoroku,

Thanks for the info! Do you know where the location is for the Ikebukuro show?

Is it possible to put my own card in it and shoot some files ? I don't speak enough Japanese.... And I don't want to be rude.

Thanks, frisco


sugoroku said:
HI frisco,

I believe official release date is set at September 19th. So, people in US may get it sooner.

By the way, if you are coming to Tokyo tomorrow, the event is going to be held at Shibuya tomorrow too so you might want to check this out for yourself.

It is at Shibuya 'ranKing ranQueen Shibuya' at Tokyu department west building 2nd floor. It should be going on until tomorrow 18:00.

Phone number is 03-3770-5480

IF you cannot, there is another one on September 6th and 7th at Ikebukuro.

I hope you can make it.
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Ikebukuro

Ikebukuro

All I know about Ikebukuro event is, as it shows on web page, it will be held at in front of Seibu ticket gate in Ikebukuro station. It will be held from 11:00 to 19:00.

As for shooting your own footage using your card, you can only ask. Personally, I don't see what would be a problem. At the event today, people were handed of D90 to shoot models and they took home the printed picture.

They should understand easy english so, just try out!
 
sugoroku said:
I went to Nikon D90 demonstration event today at Shibuya, Tokyo.

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1 Exposure is lockable via. pushing AE/AF button while shooting. I did try this myself and it worked.
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Something like this I suspected, this explains the slight exposure variations in some of the the demo clips.


sugoroku said:
3 Rolling shutter is evident and pretty bad. Even when I compared to my HV10. Very slow panning would be OK but normal panning will easily expose the effect.
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Oh boy, so this might be the Achilles heel of DSLRs video, the CMOS sensors. Only if Nikon had stayed with CCDs! Well I guess the competition from now on will be who's gonna come up with a better CMOS that eliminates the rolling shutter effect. Do they use some sort of algorithms in the professional video cameras that compensates the effect?

I think this is not as fatal as it seems though, as long as you don't shoot and pan fast that is.

sugoroku said:
4 5min shooting limitation is not due to chip set overheat nor live view screen overheat.
It is programmed that way.
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It could be to save batteries or to not let memory cards fill up completely due to video recording.

This is, however, a still camera at heart (and in minds of Nikon), so the still photography is first priority and the video capability is an option. They're probably thinking the semi professionals who want to take still pictures first, and not run out of power and storage in the field. DVX forum readers might think differently, but hey...

Btw sugoroku: Did you have a chance to see the video in full screen? How was the quality, the compression of the video?
 
Full Screen

Full Screen

Oh... Ouch

I did not do that. I probably should have asked....

I may go to the event again tomorrow. If I did, I will definitely ask to see the pictures on big screen.
 
What makes me excited about this is not the D90 itself, or what can be done with it today, it is the advancements this will help bring in the coming years.

With the RED epic & scarlet, and DSLR cameras like this, the gap is quickly being bridged to bring full-frame 35mm sensor size with film-style DOF, high dynamic range, excellent sensitivity, etc. into extremely affordable prices.

I'm 23 right now, and its amazing to think that by the time I am 30 years old a full-frame, 35mm digital camera using lenses that are interchangeable between my main video camera and my DSLR, shooting variable frame rates, etc. will probably cost around the same as my HVX200.

Goodbye 35mm adaptors, low light issues, noise, highly limited dynamic range. Within the next decade, prosumer gear will have 35mm sensor size cameras using 35mm lenses straight to digital with overcranking, etc. as the norm. Wow.

This is certainly a step in that directon, along with RED's scarlet. Can't wait to see all this stuff fully take off and the prices drop like crazy as competition increases and these features become mainstream and common.
 
Rolling shutter

I used a originalfile in Premiere CS3. You must note that this is for real 24p, not 23,976! So you have to be take off the crossfading of frames! now i have no problems with "RS"
 
cocoa_magazin said:
Rolling shutter

I used a originalfile in Premiere CS3. You must note that this is for real 24p, not 23,976! So you have to be take off the crossfading of frames! now i have no problems with "RS"
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Could you please explain what you mean by crossfading, and what you did in premiere?

Thank you!
 
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