http://www.camcorderinfo.com/conten...-Camcorders-in-Japan--HF11-and-HG21-35382.htm#
Oops - the title should read "to replace HF10"
Oops - the title should read "to replace HF10"
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Canon HF11 to replace HF20 with 24 Mbps
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Digigenic
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While I understand where you're coming from, it's important to realize that the Scarlet and HF11 are two very different cameras intended for different applications.
The cost alone is indicative of that.
While Scarlet is clearly directed towards cinema applications with its R3D raw format, large 3K 2/3" sensor, pro audio, high quality optics, 3D options, and additional pro features, these Canons represent the very best AVCHD has to offer for consumers, and maybe even some prosumers for the money by providing a highly efficient HD recording format on cheap SDHC cards easily capable of achieving extra long recording times.
At the same time, if the previous generation camera (HF10) was good enough for cinema/narrative story telling in Crank 2, then I see no reason why the HF11 won't carry on the tradition of being an extremely low cost option for just about any filmmaker.
That being said, the big news here with these Canons is the 24mbps upgrade. That should represent a pretty significant increase in image quality over the previous 17mbps generation cameras that were already producing impressive results.
Sean Michael
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The HF10 is light as a feather. I'm tempted to get an HF11 simply to use with my Letus Mini. Handheld 35mm work has never been easier.
Wow, HF11 with 24Mbps. That's gonna be sweet. Looks like I'll be selling and picking this one up when it hits the US.
Here's a translated review: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...080723/zooma370.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ja&tl=en
It seems that the 24Mbps does offer better quality.
It seems that the 24Mbps does offer better quality.
You don't have to use 8 core workstations to edit AVC-HD.
That's sort-of the impression I get from various online forums; that AVCHD is processor intensive.
Final Cut workflow, you ingest with prores and you can cut just fine with a macbook or macbook pro. Not familiar with the PC workflow, that might have more issues involved. Just from my experience with AVC-HD, it looks as good if not better than HDV.
And 24-Mbps AVC-HD should look better still.
Barry_Green
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Sony's claim is that 9mbps of AVC-HD should look as good as 25mbps of HDV. So 24mbps of AVC-HD should definitely surpass HDV.
Barry, you know as well as anyone that Sony says *a lot* of things. Is this a claim that you think we can trust? Anyone remember when they claimed that the PS2 would do Pixar quality graphics in real time?
davide
Nathyn
Low Budget Ninja
Sony doesn't so much lie as engage in wishful thinking, like Microsoft. They both keep spouting so much nonsense that they hope people will believe it so that it will become reality -- or at least perceived reality. But then again, companies have to believe in what they do, no matter how manifestly stupid, when billions of dollars are at stake. I guess the trick is to discern what's truly a bad idea beforehand, and even with exhaustive research and analysis, that's not always easy to do.
Rakesh Jacob
Veteran
LOL Why do Mac users always seem to assume that. (Spoken from the experience and perspective of an ex-mac-zelot '91-'00)
PC work flow is like this:
Stick in the SD card into a reader and copy... that's it.
No reader? No problem, connect the camera via USB2.0, copy and... that's it.
AVCHD looks really good on this generation of camera and if 24Mbps is gonna be significantly better. HELL YEAHS!!!!!
Anyone wondering what 17mbps on the HF10/100 looks like, here's a couple of things I shot:
http://vimeo.com/1374566
http://vimeo.com/1396249
http://vimeo.com/1400221
Unfortunately that claim is dubious, as it refers to codec performance but does not account for real-time encoder quality. So yes, someone can ingest quality HD footage into their editing station and tweak out a 9mbps AVCHD encode that looks approximately as good as a 25mbps HDV/MPEG2 encode. Real-Time camcorder AVCHD encoders simply aren't up to the task yet, and even at up to 17mbps AVCHD still isn't *quite* as good as HDV. Obviously we're getting their, but at the time they were released Sony's claims should have been issued with a "forward looking statement" disclosure
Personally I'm kind of "meh" on the whole AVCHD thing. Yes, it'll soon look a little better than HDV but its still long GOP 4:2:0 8bit. Personally I'm much more excited about the move to solid state recording than I am the codec switch.