Leaked Alien footage...real?...or a good fake?

sean90291 said:
What I think you're saying is you can't prove a negative. You can't prove that god does not exist, only that he does (which is a proof we still await).

But otherwise I'm not sure what you're getting at. The point someone made was that he had experienced something he believed was supernatural, so he feels that who's to say some of the photos/videos of aliens aren't also possibly authentic. And you seemed to suggest that proving/disproving the existence of aliens is different than proving/disproving the existence of the supernatural. They're both impossible to disprove "universally" no matter how many times you can disprove individual accounts. The only proof you can have is eventually to prove that something does exist: when the aliens make themselves apparent or god appears or ghosts appear introduce themselves to each and every one of us revealing their existence to everyone. I'm not holding my breath for either event, but there is no absolute proof that aliens do not exist anywhere, nor that there is not some supernatural power anywhere, and there never will be such proof that they do not exist. We can only look for proof that they DO exist, and so far we haven't found anything like proof.
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I think you have not fully understood me, let me clarify the point:

The Creator (supernatural) entity is UNLIKE the created (natural) entity, these two entities by virtue of definition can not contain the same properties otherwise you would not be able to distinguish between the two.

Further that what is created (natural) entity can be measured/observed, however that which is the Creator (supernatural) can not be measured or observed*.

However those whom attempt to equate a supernatural experience and suggest that it is the SAME with other experiences (such as alien’s etc) are in manifest error. Because they are making the assumption that the properties of the Creator are the same as those of created entities, and they then use this false logic to conclude that since the supernatural entity can not be disproved therefore it must follow that the created entity can not be disproved.

However as stated at the beginning this is not true, the two entities are certainly not the same, created entities are directly measurable hence fall under the category of “falsification positive ” i.e. since we can measure it we can disprove it. Whereas the supernatural entity is not directly measurable* hence we can not disprove it as you have rightly pointed out.

Now your second point about the requirement of “disproving individual accounts” is unnecessary we can simply invert the problem** and say, instead of disproving every case, prove one valid case for example:

Say if you asked me to prove the sun will come up, I would have to prove everyday for eternity that the sun indeed does rise, however the opposite is just as valid, I could say that until the sun “does not rise” the sun will continue to rise.

As for personal experience one can not agree/disagree with a particular individuals experience since it is internal to that person. However one must not confuse disproving measurable created entities (e.g. aliens, teapots etc) with personal experiences.

*(At least not directly, it can however be inferred or proved via reasonable rational proofs this leads to theology)

**(You have stated the classical “problem of Induction”)
 
Anhar Miah said:
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Because they are making the assumption that the properties of the Creator are the same as those of created entities,
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hmmm.... let´s have a look to the Genesis.

And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness - And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.

So the creature is like the creator.

Frank
 
Anhar Miah said:
As for personal experience one can not agree/disagree with a particular individuals experience since it is internal to that person. However one must not confuse disproving measurable created entities (e.g. aliens, teapots etc) with personal experiences.
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Finally, something simply put! Anybody ever tell you that you are a talky son of a gun? I agree with this statement 100%, even if I had an experience I know to be genuine, without hard evidence I can't prove it. This did sit heavily on my mind, mostly due to the fact that it was so unbelievable. However, that worry was laid to rest, when my wife was talking to the former neighbor. She said her daughter had seen the same thing, more or less. The description alone was enough to convince me, specially since I had never discussed our disturbances with them.

Unfortunately, the only evidence I had was in the form of a huge audio file that corrupted after i listened to it. I guess 8 hours is too much to try and record live to a PC. While it wouldn't have proved everything we experienced, it would have proved some of our claims.
 
Postmaster said:
hmmm.... let´s have a look to the Genesis.

And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness - And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.

So the creature is like the creator.

Frank
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Keep in mind though, the Bible was written by man, and man has a tendency to exaggerate things.
 
Postmaster said:
hmmm.... let´s have a look to the Genesis.

And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness - And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.

So the creature is like the creator.

Frank
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You know out of respect for my Christain and Jewish brothers in faith, I'm not going to delve to deep on the Bible, it raises questions that are better communicated else where.

Hope you understand were I'm comming from.
 
Capt Quirk said:
Keep in mind though, the Bible was written by man, and man has a tendency to exaggerate things.
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Yeah, everybody want´s to look like God.
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You must know that the old testament was copied from much older sumerian books. So if you look up the original source it says, that men where made of "that what bears live" (DNS) and that the God Enki and the Goddes Nin-Mah had a house that was called House of Life and she had incubators where she was breeding the humans they made.

Shouldn`t a real god not just snip with his fingers et voila - there is a mature human beeing.

But no, they had to bread babys and rise them.

Sounds like a DNS/Genetic Lab to me.

The old gods where scientists. Don´t know if they where aliens or came from an other race here on the planet ( maybe some that survived a cataclysm). who knows.

Frank
 
Anhar Miah said:
I'm not going to delve to deep on the Bible, it raises questions that are better communicated else where.

Hope you understand were I'm comming from.
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No offence Anhar - for me there is no supernatural, just natural that we do not understand yet. But to each his own.

And yes, I know where you are comming from.

O Lord! Increase me in knowledge, and seek spiritual help to understand our great faith.

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
No offence Anhar - for me there is no supernatural, just natural that we do not understand yet. But to each his own.
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Absolutely none taken, every human has his/her own choice of Theism/Atheism/Agnosticism. These three choices has been in existance since the birth of man and will remain till the end.

I respect all views, I just happen to be in the other camp thats all :)
 
Rick Meyer said:
Hmm, I think you are ON TO SOMETHING!!! What I thought was just a cheesy 1970's Disney movie might have actually been irrefutable evidence...

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I nearly forgot about the Disney Cat films. I've added them to my Netflix queue for the kids.

This subject on UFOs reminds me that I've personally seen something I couldn't explain. I was driving with a high-school friend in a suburban part of OC in 1987 and we both saw a disc-shaped object flying erratically over a house about a half of a block down from our position. The object turned from a flat hover to a dive and disappeared behind a stand of trees. We were stopped at a signal at that moment, so we weren't in motion at the time. He had a big, old Ford pick-up truck, which afforded a large, completely uncluttered view.

There was no sound, but it was a large enough object that we both noticed it. It was likely in our view for less than five seconds from first sighting to disappearing. In that moment at the intersection, we both looked at each other and said, "Did you see that?"

We went to the house where we could best guage that it had gone down and knocked on the door. A woman answered, and, after hearing our story (which we described as unbelievable, but visually compelling) allowed us into her large backyard - where we found nothing. We must've appeared to be convinced ourselves, because she didn't hesitate to let us in.

Dunno what it was, but it wasn't a Frisbee or a reflection or a hubcap. It was about the size of a car and it was flat or disc-shaped.

Nothing before that or since. It was a compelling moment though. Sometimes I do get a creepy feeling when I'm alone in the basement. I'd best describe it as a too quiet, cold feeling. As if someone is walking or standing right behind you.

So, there's that too.

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When I was a kid I was out on a lake in a little boat with my Dad, fishing eel in the night. Wonderfull stary night.

Then (insert Twilight Zone soundtrack here) suddenly there seems to be a hole in the sky without stars.

Took me a while to realize the "hole" is slowly moving and it is not a hole but a giant object. No sound, no lights - nothing. Just a huge triangle structure covering the stars.

What made it rally scary was that the rim of the object seems to bend/refract the light of the stars. This effect reached out to about 10% of the outer structure.

Slow like a big blimp it went over the sky and disappeared.

Have no idea what it was, but scared the sh*t out of me back then.

...and no, I didn`t get a sun burn or something like that in the night.

Frank
 
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No, I had absolute no reference, could be like a big Boing or the size of that one in Independence Day - depending on hight.

I have no clue, not even sure if it was solid - just the absence of light with that refracting effect on the rim.

Sorry, Frank
 
I remember hearing stories, ones I can't prove, but the Nazis and the US both had some sort of flying saucer design aircraft in WWII.
 
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