Panasonic monitor

Lightmaker

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I just purchased a Panasonic BT-LH80W eight inch monitor and wanted to share my thoughts about it with this community, especially for those considering purchasing one in the near future.

COST - though the initial cost is about $2199.00 (I bought mine at B&H Photo), the real cost is much higher, and it’s important to know the facts going in. In addition to the monitor, you’ll need a support arm, and powering options.

POWER - Anton Bauer Dionic 90 batteries run $414 each at B&H Photo, and since you’ll need a spare and a Titan Twin charger, you’re looking at an additional $1200 for batteries and the charger. An AC adapter to four pin XLR will allow you to plug your monitor into an AC outlet, when available, and that runs between $149 and $500. I found the Minipunch (available at minipunch.com) to be an affordable AC option at $149. So, all told, you’re looking at an additional $1350 to push the ‘on’ button.

ARM - After much research, I decided on the Zacuto Zamerican large arm. The Panny Monitor weighs in at 3.3. pounds, but with the battery weighing in at a hefty 1.6 pounds, you’re looking at a very beefy five pounds on top of (or to the side of) your camera. You need something really well constructed and strong to keep it stable and protect your investment, and I believe the Zamerican is up to the job. So far, it has proven very stable, although it’s also terribly expensive. Including the rail mount (Z mount), (which you will not need if you have an extra rail block with a tripod thread, available at Cinevate), it cost just over $500. (Without the Z-mount you save about $144, so if you can, I recommend using the rail block option, which I think is about $30.)

Note: I pleaded for a ten percent discount, or it would have run over $550.

INPUTS - B&H Photo sells a Panasonic viewfinder cable (BT-CS80G) for hook up to the HVX’s viewfinder for $335. You DO NOT need to buy this, since the HVX 200 (and most other cameras) come with cable that will hook up to BNC or RCA inputs. I didn’t realize this at first, and almost sent the monitor back since the cable is so outrageously overpriced. Actual price: Zero.

TOTAL PRICE - With AC adaptor, batteries and arm, including shipping, the monitor added up like this:

Monitor: $2199
Batteries and charger: $1199
Zacuto Zamerican Arm: $504
Minipunch AC Adapter: $149
Shipping: $55

TOTAL: $4106.00

Or, put another way...$4106.00!!

Other considerations:

WEIGHT - the additional six pounds the monitor and arm adds is a lot more than I thought it was going to be. My HVX 200 has become a huge beast once it has the adaptor, flip module, Nikon lens, arm, rails, wireless mic receivers and monitor on it. That’s not mentioning follow focus or a mattebox. I haven’t tried to put it on my Glidecam 4000 Smoothshooter yet, but I’ll report in if that even works anymore. I’d like to hear if others have used this outfit with a Glidecam with any success.

PICTURE QUALITY - All the reviews I’ve read turned out to be accurate. The Panasonic BT-LH80W has outstanding picture quality, and is well built.

FOCUS IN RED: Two minutes after I lined up my first shot, I figured out the Focus in Red feature and instantly could not live without it. Using a 200mm Nikon lens from about ten feet for a tight close up on myself, I was able to move into focus perfectly with a depth of field of a few inches, at most. Since an out-of-focus shot is generally useless, and it’s one of those critical things that cannot be corrected later in post, it’s a tool that can’t be overstated in its importance.

OVERALL: The Panasonic Monitor cost more and weighed more than I expected initially, but now that I’ve spent the money, I’m very glad I did. I’m writing this, however, so that people who are genuinely on a tight budget will be aware of the full cost of this monitor before making the initial purchase. For myself, I cannot say enough about the Focus in Red feature. If I could at all avoid it, I would not invest in a monitor that didn’t have this feature or something like it. From my perspective, being able to achieve perfect focus is invaluable, and I believe Focus in Red will save time and make shooting hand-held and steadicam work easier by a huge margin. I really believe that from a technical perspective the Panasonic monitor will improve my work significantly.

Greg Hansen
Writer/Director
 
I've got one as well, and agree with your observations of picture quality, and how I just can't live without pixel-in-pixel and focus-in-red, and the waveform is very handy to have too. But my additional costs were a lot lower than yours.

For power, I use a $50 Anton Bauer D-Tap to XLR cable. That'll power it off the D-Tap on either the Red or the HPX500 (or, well, any broadcast camera), for a grand total of just $50. You certainly don't need to go spending $1200 for batteries and a charger.

Optionally, if you are using it on an HVX200 or some other camera that doesn't have an anton bauer or v-mount plate, you can power it off a battery belt. 12V XLR output, 7 hours of operation time, $100 including charger. You can hang the belt on a light stand when using it in a studio config, or you can wear the belt when going handheld.

For a mounting arm, you certainly don't need a $500 Zacuto! Zacuto makes nice stuff, yes, but I got a Noga from B&H, I think it was $109.

So:
Monitor: $2199
Battery belt and charger: $100
Noga arm: $109
A/B D-Tap XLR cable: $50
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$2458

Plus, it's much less heavy if you keep the battery off the monitor and instead use the d-tap or the battery belt. Weight on your hips, not so bad; weight on your camera and mount, bad.

I think it's the best monitor on the market, but I don't know how thrilled I'd be with spending over $4,000 for it. But like I said, there are much less expensive alternatives that work very well.

Another alternative for power is coming from Dolgin; they've worked up an Anton-Bauer mounting plate for two DVX batteries. Snap the plate on the back of the monitor, and then power the monitor by using your DVXUser batteries. Total cost, about $260 for plate plus two DVXUser batteries, much less weight than the Anton Bauer batteries, and it'll drive the monitor for about 7 hours. A little more expensive than the battery belt idea, and a (very) little more weight up top, but a lot less than Anton Bauer batteries and you're not cabled to the monitor (the camera is, but you're not, the way you would be if wearing a battery belt). Plus you have more batteries that'll work with your camera too, on your existing chargers, etc.

Frankly I think the anton bauer mount on the monitor is useful only for those who already have an investment in A/B batteries. For someone just getting into it, forget those, they're much too expensive for just monitor batteries; there are much less expensive alternatives around. If you really want to use those type of batteries, you could also consider a set from batteries 4 broadcast.com, they have a 2-batteries-plus-charger combo deal for $755. Perhaps the best value is their solo 90wh battery + travel charger; that's $325. 90WH should get you about 4.5 hours of runtime on the monitor. Never used 'em, don't have any opinion or recommendation on 'em, but they're a lot less expensive than anton bauers.
 
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Great notes.
Too bad it can't run off HVX batts. I definitely could use an upgrade from my Marshall. That Red focus sound like the answer.

Is there a way of mounting the batteries off the rails to lighting the arm load?

For monitor mounting here's a good alternative: http://www.vfgadgets.com/ArmBones.htm. I've been using them to replace my flimsy Isreali arm and because it's only two axis (arm/ball mount) it's incedibly sturdy. Should be able to handle the LH 80's weight at much less than Zacuto. With a Manfrotto Ball mount, it ran me 180.00. I mount it on an SG Pro Rail Block.

Tim
 
too bad this monitor doesnt work on the dvx100a as my next camera hasnt manifested itself yet.
 
I've got one as well, and agree with your observations of picture quality, and how I just can't live without pixel-in-pixel and focus-in-red, and the waveform is very handy to have too. But my additional costs were a lot lower than yours.

For power, I use a $50 Anton Bauer D-Tap to XLR cable. That'll power it off the D-Tap on either the Red or the HPX500 (or, well, any broadcast camera), for a grand total of just $50. You certainly don't need to go spending $1200 for batteries and a charger.

Optionally, if you are using it on an HVX200 or some other camera that doesn't have an anton bauer or v-mount plate, you can power it off a battery belt. 12V XLR output, 7 hours of operation time, $100 including charger. s.

Which model / make battery belt are you referring to?
 
Great notes.
Too bad it can't run off HVX batts.
It can. Again, Dolgin is introducing a product that will allow exactly that -- two HVX batteries powering the monitor.

I definitely could use an upgrade from my Marshall. That Red focus sound like the answer.
This monitor seriously destroys the Marshall. I think Jay Nemeth put it best:
There's no comparison between the Marshall and the Panasonic. The Marshall never displays the image correctly, the contrast is never right and it puts blue lines around high contrast edges for no reason. Marshall acknowledges this, and says there's nothing they can do about it. There are no DITs that will even look at the thing. It can only be used for framing.

The new Panasonic 7.9" is truly a reference grade monitor, in as much as an LCD is capable of. I can now run thru setups without having to drag the 17" with me. The client can look at it and see almost exactly what the image will look like. The pixel to pixel focus aid is fantastic, and having the waveform right there saves me from having to look over at the 17". It's one of the most underpriced things Panasonic makes. The Marshall is a gaslight hand puppet show next to the Panny.
 
I'm happy with my NEB70HD but I would have probably spent the few hundred extra to get the BTLH80W if that Dolgin option was available at the time i purchased. That's great news.

The pixel for pixel focus feature really sets the BTLH80W apart from the others, though I've heard rumors the NEB70HD would be getting that upgrade..... but that may be all it is, a rumor.
 
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Barry...

Thanks for taking the time; I wish I'd posted by intentions and gotten your advice before leaping into a purchase! Now that you've illuminated the alternatives, the Anton Bauer seems way too expensive for this monitor. I took your advice and purchased a battery belt for $90, and will sell the Dionic 90's and charger. I don't think the tap works with an HVX200, though, which is why I bought the minipunch AC to XLR adapter.
 
Yeah, the d-tap won't work with the HVX because it doesn't have that output. That's something you find on a V-mount or Anton Bauer Gold Mount plate.

AC to XLR is a fine idea for when you're running off AC power, of course.
 
I think I'm gonna take the plunge and grab this monitor...could someone link me to the XLR cable that I could use to power this off a 12v battery belt.
 
Red (IN FOCUS) indicator in the LH80, It is simply magic ... great tool.
I love this thing!
 
I think I'm gonna take the plunge and grab this monitor...could someone link me to the XLR cable that I could use to power this off a 12v battery belt.
Most battery belts include either a cigarette lighter plug, or a 4-pin XLR (or both; mine has both). So as long as you get one that is wired with an XLR, you're good to go.
 
Barry,
what battery belt do you use? 100 sounds like a great deal.
Just some old Bescor I got to drive my Frezzi on-camera light years ago. Nothing special.

Edit: found it on B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._PRB_12XLRNC_Starved_Electrolyte_Battery.html

$104.95. Doesn't include a charger, but a 12V cigarette lighter charger is pretty cheap and I already had one. This belt is actually 144wh, so it would drive the monitor for 8 hours. You should be able to get a smaller-capacity belt with a charger for around $100.
 
Greg and Barry,

Thanks alot for the ideas, espec the battery options. I'm on the verge of springing for the Panny for my EX-1 and the battery expenses have held me off.
For the EX you also have an additional $600 expense for the SDI adapter.

I wonder if Alex is also making an adapter for the Ex-1 batts which should work easily with the Panny since they are already 14.4 volts?

The belt idea doesn't thrill me but for handheld it may beat another item on the rails.

Thanks,

Lenny Levy
 
I find that most people who give the BL80 a bad review have either not used it in the field or immediately discount it thinking $2k is an outlandish price.

I think its worth every penny. I was doing a music video for MTV latin and the shot consisted of rolling across the floor of a warehouse on a panther dolly for this very animated band from mexico...for the entire length of the song. Other than a few reference marks, I had to completely rely on the panny to nail focus for the single shot (over 3.5 min long). Our noga arm also broke (simply could not hold the weight with the anton battery) because the dolly was moving at such a high speed and changing positions violently at times, so I hand held the monitor up in the air with one hand for the operator and the focus whip in the other. Keep in mind a panther can boom/crane up remotely so I had to do the same with my arm for the op.

Long story short, mine has been worth every penny. I am actually buying another soon as a reference for an AC or multi cam setups. I also have the Zacuto large arm and it works much better. Holds more weight, better finish, and extends slightly longer than a noga. I did just as Barry advised, removed all the weight off the monitor. I never put batteries on the back. I run 4pin XLR to an anton mounted on either me, the camera, tripod ect.
 
For the EX you also have an additional $600 expense for the SDI adapter.
Not necessarily -- doesn't the EX1 also have a component output?

(although SDI is sweet, and I sprung for the SDI input module mainly for use with the Red, but SDI really doesn't make THAT much of a difference vs. component).
 
Yes the Ex has component out but the position of the component adapter plug is awful, right underneath the pistol grip. I figure I would use the monitor with larger cameras anyway so its worth the plunge.

Lenny
 
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