The constant need for searching out wide lenses

Lucas Adamson

Lucas Adamson

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Zooming into my gg, to give a Super35mm 18mm x 24mm frame size messes up my FOV expectations from my trusty old stills lenses, and if, like me, you like wide-angle, a 28mm simply won't cut it.

Out of those of us framing for Super35 on the gg, what lenses are people using to get a real wide-angle?

Personally, my 28mm is now my standard lens, and I'm searching a 20mm and a rectilinear 16mm (non-fisheye) to get my wide-ons. It still doesn't cut it in comparison to a set of Super35 primes though, which go from 10mm up in 2mm increments.

Lucas
 
I know this has been discussed before, so maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but why do you feel the need to zoom in if you have a perfectly good wide angles at full SLR ?

I remain mystified by this - maybe I'm just blind to the subtlties of the superior "mojo" of academy or super 35mm framing.

Can you really see the difference especially to the extent that you are willing to bust your nut finding lenses with extreme designs to try to jam 16mms on a 35mm SLR without distortion? I mean these lenses are built for a 35mm SLR - Why not use them for what they were designed for? It makes much more optical sense and gives you a wonderful choice among lots of good wide angle lenses.


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I'm not gonna battle the FOV preference. To each his own.

Save yourself the headache and just zoom out if it's trouble. Apparently, some people can't find any difference in SLR fov and 35mm FOV, try it and see if you can before you go out and spend money on wider lenses?
 
Ko Lee you don't understand because you don't like the look. It is a matter of artistic differences. It doesn't make right or wrong,. Just different. Vive la Diférence
 
Uh, I just said I wouldn't battle the preference. Keyword: Preference.

I do understand, and I do not like the look. What more is there to it? LoL Guess STATING that I wasn't gonna battle it DIDN'T really help.
 
Lucas Adamson said:
Zooming into my gg, to give a Super35mm 18mm x 24mm frame size messes up my FOV expectations from my trusty old stills lenses, and if, like me, you like wide-angle, a 28mm simply won't cut it.

Out of those of us framing for Super35 on the gg, what lenses are people using to get a real wide-angle?

Personally, my 28mm is now my standard lens, and I'm searching a 20mm and a rectilinear 16mm (non-fisheye) to get my wide-ons. It still doesn't cut it in comparison to a set of Super35 primes though, which go from 10mm up in 2mm increments.

Lucas
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Take a look at some full SLR framing and compared to 27.3

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126207
 
Lenilenapi said:
I know this has been discussed before, so maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but why do you feel the need to zoom in if you have a perfectly good wide angles at full SLR ?

I remain mystified by this - maybe I'm just blind to the subtlties of the superior "mojo" of academy or super 35mm framing.

Can you really see the difference especially to the extent that you are willing to bust your nut finding lenses with extreme designs to try to jam 16mms on a 35mm SLR without distortion? I mean these lenses are built for a 35mm SLR - Why not use them for they were designed for. It makes much more optical sense and gives you a wonderful choice among lots of good wide angle lenses.


Lenny Levy
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I suppose it's a bit like the people which heavily criticise a feature shot in HD with lots of noise (eg: Miami Vice). They have the mind set that you "have to make digital look like film". And neglect the reality that if you have the luxury of choosing a/any medium, you select (HD) because of it's characteristics (eg: noise).

If you step out of a narrow mindset, creatively you have so many more possibilities. There isn't a set look for art, so why restrict yourself.
Zoom in on the Ground Glass if you 'want' to crop vignetting, or get a different image, and NOT because you think you have to. YOU DONT! Vignetting can be nice, noise can be appropriate, etc.... :)
 
Charles, I'm with you 100% on that. As an adapter manufacturer we work hard to give folks maximum flexibility with the hope that each shooter will find what works best for them within that feature range.
 
I really do not think that you get a different look. You should be able to get the exact same image with a longer focal length using a larger portion of the GG opposed to a shorter focal length using a smaller portion of the GG. (You need to change your aperture in order to match DOF). Why should you get a different look, that just doesn't make sense!
 
Disclaimer: This isn't an argument starter! Why don't you guys try it and post up?

I'd like to see your results, seriously. Being dead honest, because if you can use SLR and get a pleasing FOV you're also taking advantage of the camera at it's fastest. The more we're zoomed out, the more light we have for the adapters. Hey, I'd be interested in that! But, even in my own tests, SLR is unpleasant. I do invite someone else to do the test. Take a 50mm @ 35mm FOV, do a medium shot of a subject @ 10 feet away. Mark where you're at.

Then, take the same 50mm, zzoom out to SLR sized frame and move the camera to reframe the exact same shot. A medium. However you won't be ten feet away, you'll be more like 2 feet away.

Focus and show us your FOV and DOF.

For HVX users, here's a breakdown:

HVX @ Z27.3mm - Nikon 50mm - Medium Shot
HVX @ Z20.0mm - Nikon 50mm - Same Exact shot

That's 35mm FOV vs SLR frame size.

Also, try and see just how much your Aperture, between 2.8 and 5.6, really changes DOF. It's not that big of a difference. You could literally shoot with the taking lens at F8 and still have a rather shallow field to work with.
 
Hey Kholi,
I think we are talking about two different things. If you move the camera it will give you a different perspective and the image definitely doesn't look the same anymore.
What I meant was that you can use a 35mm lens with an academy sized gg or you could use a 50mm lens while using a larger portion of the GG. Doing this you never move the camera at all but you should get two identical images if you adjust the f-stop to match DOF. So whether you use an SLR sized gg or an academy sized gg, as long as you do not know what focal length or fstop was used, you should not be able to tell if an academy or slr sized gg was used. You would love to do a test as soon as I get my sgpro back but I only own a 50mm lens at the moment.
 
You shouldn't be able to tell, but you may unconsciously register "Something is weird about this image".

The FOV and DOF just simply will not be the same. Hey, I'm probably wrong. Someone else wanna chime in here and tell me that it would still be the same FOV and DOF?
 
If I understand this correctly, the FOV might be the same, and you can match the degree of blurriness in the background, but perspective will still be off. That is, the size of the background relative to the subject will change and it won't be the same shot. A 50mm compresses the background more than a 35mm will.
 
Huy Vu said:
If I understand this correctly, the FOV might be the same, and you can match the degree of blurriness in the background, but perspective will still be off. That is, the size of the background relative to the subject will change and it won't be the same shot. A 50mm compresses the background more than a 35mm will.
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That is simply not true. The size of the background relative to the subject only changes if you move the camera, else it stays exactly the same no matter what kind of lens you use. The 50mm lens allows you to move the camera further back to get the same FOV as you would get with a 35mm lens. This changes the relationship from background to subject and is why we say it compresses the space....
 
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Here a little example. I just cropped a screen-grab from the above posted clips (Douglas Villalba: I hope you are ok with it). The first one is shot with the 24mm lens and the second one with the 50mm. As you see, both images look the same except for the DOF. The relationship between background and subject stays the same....

(By the way, cropping the image is the same as using a smaller GG)
 

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