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Thoughts on my Carrion purchase

Thoughts on my Carrion purchase

I've been shooting with the HVX since January 2006 when it first came out. It was my first "real" camera and the journey into professional production has been quite an interesting one. After shooting with the HVX for just a short period, it became clear that having the right tools made a difference. Sometimes the tools made a difference in the quality of the footage, and sometimes the tools just made set up and tear down easier. I believe that it's possible to get incredible shots with lights from Home Depot if you know what you're doing (or if you get lucky) but it's easier and faster for me to set up a shot with my Arri light kit. As my skills have developed and jobs have brought in dollars, there's always been a new tool to take my shots to the next level, or streamline the workflow. Wireless mics, an on camera light, upgraded tripod, Steadicam Merlin, you know how it is, the list goes on and on. One item that I always that I could do without was a production monitor like the Marshall or the Carrion. The LCD was small, yes, but you could zoom in and use focus assist for sharp focus, it was big enough for framing and you can tweak the color all you want in post. Besides if I REALLY wanted to I could lug around my 24" Dell and connect it to the component outs. I worked like this for the last two years and hit a wall. As I've become more and more familiar with my camera, I've toyed more and more with things like the Master Pedestal, chroma and detail settings. I shot some interviews using the Dell and really dialed in a nice look only to find out that in post my image was nothing like what I thought it would be. Sure out of the cameral to the Dell it looked great, but the Dell wasn't calibrated which meant it couldn't be trusted. That prompted me to do two things, start looking at monitors and also start looking at Apple's Color.

I'm probably in a different camp than the majority of users here, I wanted to find a monitor that would serve double duty as an on camera monitor AND a production monitor I could use with FCS or Color. My wife and I were moving to Costa Rica for 1 year and even though we planned on bringing a TON of video gear, I couldn't justify a large production monitor like the 17" panny AND an on camera monitor as well. I found my answer in the Carrion. I was able to acquire the base model just before we left for Costa Rica and have been becoming familiar with it over the last several weeks. Let me just say that I'm not sure I'd ever want to shoot without it again! Being able to calibrate the picture has restored my confidence in tweaking the image in camera. The image is sharp, sharp, sharp and the backlighting is bright enough to use in most shooting conditions, although if shooting outside on a bright day I would want some kind of a sunshade. Right before we left I also picked up a Foxi follow focus and the results of that combined with the Carrion have really impressed me. Focusing was always one of my weakest points, but with the Foxi and Carrion I was really surprised at quickly and accurately I could dial in a sharp image. Zoom has been mentioned as a feature of the unit, but I don't see myself using it very often because it seems to be a cumbersome process. You have to enter the "zoom" function and then hold a button to increase the zoom factor (like increasing cont, or sat). The function can be entered with one push but you always start at 100% which means you have to wait while the picture slowly zooms in, you check your focus and then you have to slowly zoom back out. Also, on my unit I'm using the component in and there is a problem as the image falls apart after you zoom in past a certain point. In my opinion this would be a lot more useful if the zoom level could be preset at a given amount and it were a one button push to go into and out of zoom. Fortunately, the image is so crisp, it doesn't bother me to not use the zoom at all. Other settings on the unit are easy enough to set, and there are plenty of them. The menu is laid out logically, but there wasn't a manual available, so I've had to figure a couple things out the hard way. I ordered the Panny battery plate, but it wasn't functioning when I received it, so I left it in the States. After contacting Siniarch he was very willing to work with me on getting it replaced, but I'm still working on getting it to him. I have no doubt he'll stand behind the product though. I have to comment on the build quality of that plate though, it was great. The whole unit seems very solid, the buttons are a little on the... economical side, but at this price point I'm more than happy. Once I've returned the Panny plate, I think I'd like to switch over to a Tekeon to power the unit anyhow. The monitor with Panny batteries was just too much weight for the Zacuto American Arm that I have the unit mounted on.

As I stated earlier, I knew I wanted to use the Carrion not only for on camera work, but also in post. For this reason I really liked was the Carrion's DVI input. I'm sure there are reasons I shouldn't be using the straight DVI signal for post work, but since the MXO won't work with the graphics card in my MBP and I don't know of any way to get a component signal out of my laptop, I'm stuck with DVI for now, which the Carrion offers. Using this monitor with Color has added a whole new opportunity for creativity in my work. Time consuming, yes, but I can't argue with the results. I put bars into the beginning of my timeline and then calibrate the monitor using the signal out of color and I'm good to go. I have had to do some experimenting with Gamma as the Carrion allows for three different settings and none of them seem to accurately represent what I see after burning a DVD and playing it on TV. (across a variety of TV's not just one) If anyone can point me to info on understanding Gamma, that'd be great. I can't seem to find any resources on understanding what to use and why. After getting past that, I've really appreciated what the Carrion has brought to the table.

Overall, I've been very, very glad that we picked up a Carrion and would definitely recommend it to anyone who's in the market for this type of monitor.
 
I just got my Carrion, and it is AWESOME. It weighs a lot with the two Panasonic batteries mounted, but I really don't mind as the picture is crazy insane good, and it flips my image and lets me focus easily when I am using the M2. That makes me unspeakably happy.

More technical and less giddy review to come later, after I shoot my next short film.
 
Hey Guys,
I know this thread has been a little slow lately. Just trying to deliver on the initial orders and fight it out with the mnf.

So here is the update:
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I've started to get emails back from the first batch of users letting me know how much they like their CARRION. :) this makes me happy.
Some have put it side to side with other competitors and they can clearly see the difference in
  • brightness
  • color rendition
  • angle of view and
  • Resolution
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On another note, if you haven't noticed, the introductory price is no longer available. :(
Sorry, but in order to stay in business so that I can support my customers and future customers, I do have to make a little bit of money. In order to soften the blow on the increase in price, I'm providing the following upgrade to those who buy at regular price:
  • New Anti-Reflective Coating which will:
    • Make the screen slightly brighter at 400nits
    • Make the screen better under Sunny conditions
    • and in my opinion Sharper.
Don't get me wrong, the screen is amazing without this new coating but I thought it would be a nice addition for those taking the plunge at the new price.
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And for those who adopted early, I will be providing an upgrade to this new coating if you desire for a price of course. But much less than the difference between the introductory price and the regular price. If you are interested, please e-mail me. (I will be sending an email soon to you guys to let you know about the offer)
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I will also be making the remote control unit available on the web site. At first I thought it was not a good add-on, but after having to flip through the menus and adjust many different units. I've found that the remote control really speeds up setup and going through the menus. And you don't have to be that close to the monitor to set it up.
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Thank you again for all those who have contributed to this project, with thoughts and ideas and even good wishes.
And THANK YOU SO MUCH to those that have order a unit. I hope that it is helping you produce the best independent film projects you can produce. :)
 
Hey Everyone, new poster here...

I've been watching and studying the different models for different monitors (Marshals, Panasonics, etc.) and eventually went with the Carrion, mainly because I believe I'm getting best out of both worlds (quality/price). I just got a chance to use it for the first REAL time, and it's basically saved lots of time and hardache.

The package I'm using is an HVX-200 with a Cinevate Brevis35, Nikon primes and a Cartoni Focus head with stage one legs.

Flip Function: Since I don't have the flip module, I needed the flip function of the monitor itself, and that was very useful.

Pinpointed Calibration: I'm very used to using monitors with dials...So it was very nice to deal with something that had specific numbers set for the color bars.

Overall Quality of Image: I was very pleased with the image quality. I forgot my tape, so I kept accidentally switching the HVX's "backfocus," but it took no more than 2 seconds to fix that problem because I could see the ground glass so clearly. And finding the focus of my subjects was just as easy.

Outdoor's use: No glare...enough said.

Issues on Set: The one problem I had was mounting the monitor. I was using a gear type mechanism that slipped into the hot shoe, and when I first put it in...it didn't feel horribly safe. But I thought to myself, "nah...the salesman suggested this to me. It couldn't possibly be wrong." Let's just say it's a good thing the Director's and my reflexes are good. It was very difficult to do quick pans and tilts, and once the gear actually loosened up and the monitor could have gone crashing down if we weren't there. The Carrion is fairly heavy, but I think that's inevitable considering the resolution and quality. I'm working on getting a better mounting system, so I think it will no longer be an issue.

Another thing that happened was I ran out of batteries on set. I am currently using the Panasonic battery plate (allowing the monitor to use two panasonic batteries instead of another outside source), and it works very well. Unfortunately at the time of shooting I only had 3 batteries. Thankfully there was power right next to me so I could just use the AC adapter, however that's definitely not the ideal situation. I now have a few more batteries and am working on another charger. I got about 3-4 hours of time from standard batteires.

Conclusion: This monitor is very nice. You really do get much better quality than the marshals (compared at DVexpo). The Panasonics are nice, but considering the price difference, I think there's really no contest. And it looks cool...First time the director saw it he said very surprised, "What is that?!" If you're thinking about buying one, I'd suggest you contact Luis and really just see it for yourself. I'll try to take some pics of the monitor in action next time.

Regards,
Cory Yee

Edit: OUCH I GOT ROCKED, thanks for the correction Dan.
 
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hahaha "Nokia" I'm sure he meant "Nikons" funny how the mind works.

Thanks Cory for the nice review. I sent you an email replying to your other e-mail.

Also, not sure if you have been keeping up with my updates, but the introductory price is no longer available.

One thing I did to make the regular price a little easier to swallow for those who didn't get the intro price, was to add an anti-reflective coating to the new systems. they look sharper if you can believe it, a little brighter and much better under sun-light conditions.

But I don't want to leave the people who adopted early behind feeling that they should have waited (believe me I've been in this situation and it sucks. free P2 card ahhemmm). So if you are interested, I am providing the same Anti Reflective coating for a much lower price to those early adopters. Just something to think about. :)
 
siniarch do you think this would be a good fit for my smoothshooter/glidecam 4000pro set up? i have read a lot about the heaviness of the monitor. I would not think it would matter since the smoothshooter works based off weights -counterweights at the bottom. Do you know if your monitor would hook up to the base plate of my glidecam 4000pro, i mean your monitor does have a thread at the bottom? (dumb questions i know but i just want to ask) I'm currently looking for a HD monitor and i have yours in mind compared to the marshal that i just read is sharper and brighter. Also, would i be able to get accurate color readings with your monitor? another dump questions but i would feel a lot better with your reply. There is nothing worse than shooting a project that looks good on a external hd LCD monitor that is not calibrated correctly or you think it is, and you see the difference in post.

Also, since this would be my first monitor what model do you recommend for starters? the first or second?

thank in advance for your response.
 
mcvideo,

I'm not sure about the 4000pro setup. How much weight does it let you carry at the bottom of the sled?

I have this setup:
http://www.fsprostab.com/english/index.htm
and it works well. the viewing angle on the monitor will really help with steadicam work since you might not be looking at the image straight on.

Also, I modified my rig. 1st, I fed the component cable through the post to the bottom of the sled. I had to get creative because the post was so thin and to get the three cables RGB in there was tight. (I basically shaved off some of the plastic on the connectors and then staggered them and taped them like that. if that makes any sense)

My monitor does have a 1/4"-20 threads on the top or the bottom. So you should be able to hook it up to your rig.

As for the color, its pretty damn accurate once you calibrate the monitor. So no worries there.

And for the model, if you have an HVX I'd recommend model "A". if you need HD-SDI out, I will be providing an upgrade option where you can add that later. It might be a little more expensive than if you got it right away, but if you don't need it now, then keep the money in your bank account. :)

let me know if you have any more questions.

Luis
 
mcvideo,

I'm not sure about the 4000pro setup. How much weight does it let you carry at the bottom of the sled?

Luis

Does not say specific bottom of sled but does say load weight supports Glidecam Glidecam 4000 PRO Camcorder Stabilizing System - Supports 4 to 10 lbs

. Will your monitor work based on this info?

Also is the lead time still 5 weeks from date of order?
 
Still a little unclear as to the specs on the Glidecam 4000. I believe they state that they support 4-10lbs. cameras. that means that they should have 2-6lbs below or so. My monitor is about 3.2lb without battery. with batteries it should be another lb. or so. I'm guessing it should work.

Where are you located. if you are in LA, we can test it out at my place?

Of course I want your business, but I don't want to say yes if I haven't tried it. I can tell you it works with my system just fine.
 
Still a little unclear as to the specs on the Glidecam 4000. I believe they state that they support 4-10lbs. cameras. that means that they should have 2-6lbs below or so. My monitor is about 3.2lb without battery. with batteries it should be another lb. or so. I'm guessing it should work.

Where are you located. if you are in LA, we can test it out at my place?

Of course I want your business, but I don't want to say yes if I haven't tried it. I can tell you it works with my system just fine.

oh man. your the best and thanks for offering that kind of service (testing) but i am in Dallas. That a prob for me... :undecided No way to test unless maybe another potential buyer with my same business needs in LA can do the test and report back. It sounds like it may work but hmmm.

Why didn't i think of this when Ned S had your product for a week or so, about two months ago. Matter of fact he was with me on a shoot i did for a Ins Company and i would have seen your product first hand. Ned wanted to bring it to my shoot for some testing in the field.

Bummer, im still interested in the product though.. 5 weeks for delivery, right?
 
well, if you can find another Glidecam 4000 user in LA, I'm sure he might want to come and check out the monitor here. I'd be happy to show it. Just find a guy and ask him. I'll make some time for the demo. :)

Yeah Ned had it for a little bit of time. He is such a nice guy. :) Shame you didn't get to try it then.

And yes 5 weeks for delivery. This might change soon, so I'll keep you guys posted.
 
Hello. I've been following this thread with great interest and it's nice to see some that some user feedback is finally appearing. The most critical issue for me is the zoom feature. I'd really like it to be a one-push function for instant focus check.

Or as mlove wrote:

"Zoom has been mentioned as a feature of the unit, but I don't see myself using it very often because it seems to be a cumbersome process. You have to enter the "zoom" function and then hold a button to increase the zoom factor (like increasing cont, or sat). The function can be entered with one push but you always start at 100% which means you have to wait while the picture slowly zooms in, you check your focus and then you have to slowly zoom back out. Also, on my unit I'm using the component in and there is a problem as the image falls apart after you zoom in past a certain point. In my opinion this would be a lot more useful if the zoom level could be preset at a given amount and it were a one button push to go into and out of zoom. "

Are we going to see an upgrade on this?
 
REVIEWS
Everyone has been asking about reviews, so I've compiled a list of review that I know about. Also, there might be some others I don't know about.

(most are from this thread, but I understand that its hard to go through so many pages, therefore I believe this will be of help)
if anyone knows of other reviews, please let me know. (send me a PM and I'll post the link. thanks)

Luis
 
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