What mic is good for outdoor recording of a group singing? diaphragm? vid commercial

justmarvin

justmarvin

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I need to know what mic is best for an outdoor shoot. I am doing a commercial and the first part involves a bunch of elementary students singing. Casual setting (not choir or anything), outdoors, maybe at most a 30 minute shoot time. Ok, there's some wind over here, so I need some wind protection... are the fuzzy things that slip on top of the black foam that comes with the mic OK? Are those good enough for wind protection?

I have an AKG blue series 300 with ck98 shotgun cap and ck91 cardioid cap. ....I'm thinking shotgun type mics would be horrible for recording a bunch of people singing because of the narrow pickup pattern. Is that right? Which leaves me with the ck91 cardioid, but i'm not so sure about that either... Especially, how close am I supposed to get the mic to the group singing? What if I want the mic off frame and I'm doing a wide shot? I mean, if I put the CK91 off frame that would be too far a distance to get good sound right?

Ok, so my main questions are... what is the best thing for this scenario to get good sound? What mics are best? Are cardioid mics good for outdoor recordings of a group singing like above?

Anyway, I checked around my local area for sound guys, this is what I found:

One guy has shotgun senheisser condenser mics MK6. He's charging like $350 though...an arm and a leg basically??

Another guy for hire has large diaphragm mics the neumann 103 and AT 4033. He's thinking of a two mic setup using those two mics. His fee is $100.

***Are large diaphragm condenser mics good for that kind of situation?

Problem is both don't really have good wind protection aside from the black foam windscreen that comes with the mics. The second guy just said that he'd cover the mics with a pair of socks (like socks for people...those kind of socks not mic socks)....?? But he would check around if he could get some wind protection stuff.

I look forward to your replies,

JM
 
rycote baby ball gag (20mm) with furry jammer for wind protection for your cardiod.

It all depends on the acoustics of your space and how much the people project, but I think a cardoid is a good choice (especially since you already have one).

I would consider adding a hyper cardioid capsule (ck93??) for your blueline system in the future (for interior dialog).
 
Thanks, i'll look into buying a BBG with furry jammer for my cardioid. Where's a good online store to buy these stuff? Any recommends?

Also, you think the CK91 with BBG would be good for recording a group of kids singing in this video commercial? Maybe about 50 kids or so, just estimating. Should I pass up the large diaphragm mics neumann 103 and AT 4033? This will be an outdoor shoot, and I'm not sure how Large Diaphragm mics hold up outdoors and for this kind of situation. Anyone know?

Thanks,

JM
 
You are going to have trouble getting wind protection for large mics and it will not be useful that often.

If you have a mixer that can decode M/S stereo (SD302), you could look at adding an ambient emesser to your cardioid as it will fit inside your BBG too. Stereo is a whole other thing though.

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Mik sinc you never used large outside i will explain you the way to do it .
place it inside the zeppelin .
by the way there is much better way to rid off 350 usd not buying bbg **** but invest it in full length short zeppelin
 
buying a zepplin and a large diaphram condensor mic for one job? It depends on his needs I suppose, but for $140, he can use the mic he has. How often do you use large diaphram mics outside in day to day production Oleg?
 
why to buy , he can rent one that have figur of 8 and placeit inside zeppeline using his 91 as as m capsule from above with foam and peace of fur

the zeppelin he buys for his 98 anyway so h e already have one+ the peace of fur over the mic on the stand ( as we are talking placing the mics i for sound only )
by the way - you dont record anything further , you paly it back if you need action , thats how we do it on comertials and films ( mostly , as i mixed rockenroll 2 staright to 2 channels for film reliece 2 on the spot - have ****ing israel sound aword for that movie in 99 :-))
now why the f.. he needs bbg **** ,mike ?
dont forget i already forgot what you never learned :-)
and mike i dont use large ones very often outside and dont buy overpriced **** from rycot eather
 
Dont take it hard Mike maybe i am rude , but now you have learned another trick or 2 :-)
and that sentence is not correct as i usially dont forget .
have anice one
 
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