My suggestion for a DIY CFL Daylight Softbank

MattinSTL

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So you want to save some $$$ on lighting, but you'd like an effective lighting tool. It's easy to see the appeal in CFL. Compact fluorescent lighting offers a lot of advantages for DIY design.

This thread isn't intended to say that this is the only way to do this or even the best way... but this is how I made a couple of economy fixtures for my own personal use... and a recent thread prompted me to humbly offer some suggestions of which you can take what you like and leave the rest.

First I would say that safety is our primary concern.
That means having a solid and secure housing in which to install your wiring, sockets, and anything else you may want to increase the effectiveness of your new lighting tool... for me that means individually switchable bulbs (because CFLs still get too hot to comfortably touch, so I'd rather not have to touch any bulbs to add or subtract output)... and I also wanted a means to mount a softbox to my creation... as well as mount my light on any light stand or c-stand in my kit.

For me the logical choice is a cake pan. You can pretty much choose the size of your bank and then choose the size of your cake pan. There are many options available to you as well. Walmart has some reasonably exotic, all aluminum pans that are exceptionally thick and well made for under $10... but they lack the "ears" that you see in the ultra-cheap pans that I used here. The side handles (that I'm calling ears) are on most of the cake pans out there... and for ease of construction I'd suggest getting a pan that has these.

The pans I used are about 7" x 7" inside usable space. It's easy to find them in 8x8 and 9x9... as well as rectangular in other dimensions. Be sure to look at the CFL bulbs that you intend to use so that when you make your array you have adequate distance between the bulbs! The CFLs I use are Sunalux, which are around $13-14 per bulb, but they are pretty close to true daylight at about 5500k... and there really isn't any green tinge. Overall I'm happy with this brand. The bulbs I'm using are also only 2" in diameter (looking down at the spiral from the end)... which means that I could use a smaller pan and have the bulbs closer together. There's no real advantage with CFLs in having them too close though... so if you don't feel like worrying about it, I would use an 8-9" square pan.

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Mount the sockets 3 across the top, 1 on each side, and 3 across the bottom.
This is logical because putting a bulb at the center doesn't really gain you much in comparison to the other bulbs. Light that is emitted directly into the other bulbs is mostly wasted... we want as much surface area as possible open to the room and emitting out from the fixture. The sides of the CFL are emitting much more light then the tips, because of the obvious difference in surface area. I considered making a CFL fixture that had the bulbs sideways, but you'll understand why I didn't do that later.

Leaving the center open also allows you to recess your sockets, so that the ballast base of the CFL doesn't stick out so much... thereby making your fixture safer by lowering the chance of bulb breakage... plus it just looks better.

I used some scrap aluminum plate that I had laying around from an old sign. I simply laid my cake pan on this material and drew a pattern. Then I cut this out with a jig saw. Simple, no? Get a Sharpy... it makes it easy to layout the holes if you sink the sockets also.

For the holes I used the appropriate sized hole-saw on a drill press.

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Ground your fixture.
This is easy if you use a 3 wire cord with a 3 prong plug. Your pan is metal and all you need to do is use a green grounding screw, toothed washer, and a nut... simple. It's super-easy and a good idea to do this... even though these low power fixtures could operate fine with just a 2 wire, 2 plug configuration... but if you do it that way then that's your choice.

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Wiring your fixture. This is pretty easy. To have a separate main switch obviously you have to have the power coming from the wall hit that main switch first... that means the black (hot) wire of your power cord needs to run through this first switch. After that you must create some sort of a power distribution bus... which can be as simple as a big wire-nut as you see pictured. Please note that I ALSO soldered my wires so that none can pull loose! I also used a nylon wire-tie to FURTHER insure that no wires can come loose! Note that each black wire is going to the OFF position of each individual switch. Note yet again that each switch is positioned appropriate to each SOCKET... so that from the back of the fixture you know which bulb you're switching w/o seeing the face.

Finishing the wiring on this fixture will be as simple as running the white wire from each ON position of each switch (the opposite end from the one that's wired with black now)... back to another soldered "power bus" (wire-nut)... and then to the appropriate white wire of the incoming power cord.

The gray power connector you see there is a Neutrik Powercon connector. If you go that route you will have to make your own power cords as well... which is as simple as cutting off the end of an extension cord and adding the mating Powercon connector. For the record incoming power for Powercon is supposed to be BLUE... not GRAY... but this is what I had laying around and if somebody tries to power some other piece of pro gear from my light they won't hurt the gear or themselves... unless stupidity alone causes pain. So while that should be BLUE... it's not hurting anything... to do the reverse in a professional environment could be dangerous though... being able to put power INTO a device that doesn't want it... could be bad. So long story short... if you are so inclined to get Powercon connectors then just get the BLUE ones and be done with it... they are NOT interchangeable.

A simple computer IEC style power cord and connector are much cheaper... and basically idiot proof... so feel free to take my suggestion and go that route. I just thought I should explain that power connector before somebody asks.

Mounting the light. For mounting options on the light you'll see I have a RAM Mounts ball... you can use whatever you want for this, but I just happen to have a ton of RAM parts that I use and enjoy. If you get a thicker cake pan then the reinforcements that you see in mine won't be necessary. I just happened to do this with the cheapest cake pan you can buy... but feel free to improve on this.

Making this light extremely useful.
To get the most out of this light I highly suggest you get a softbox! You can get softboxes of all shapes and price ranges, but in my professional work we use the old 24x32 pretty darn much. So if you're looking for a place to start... I'd say that's a good size. If you get a flash-only rated box you are taking a risk... but that's up to you. I'd say that if a hot-light rated box isn't too much more then it's a good idea to just bite the bullet and get the safer box. If this light never has anything but CFLs in it then somebody could argue that a flash box will suffice, but I won't make that argument. The smartest thing to do is get a regular softbox that can handle hotlights.

Looking at the back of the box you see two nuts sticking up. Those are coupling nuts that I cut down to be the exact height as the thickness of the speedrings that I have. From the inside of the box I have small bolts holding the coupling nuts tight and in position... and from the other side you can mount the speedring easily with the remaining threads. I ONLY did this because I can use the speedrings that I normally use on other tungsten lights... so if you buy a speedring specifically for this project you can simply bolt it to the pan... which I may eventually do anyway. (The speedrings I'm using are $100/ea... so until I get some of the cheaper rings I'm not doing that with a DIY fixture)

The cheapest speedring option is a Photoflex. They make composite rings as cheap as $24.50... but there is a really solid choice... the SC800SC for about $37.50. Once you get a softbox, speedring, and some way to mount this thing on a stand... you can do anything a Diva 200-400 can do... and a lot of things that a Diva can't.

Good Luck.
 
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Just so you know... this isn't the first one of these I've done. It's as easy as it looks. I'll edit this post here to include pictures and possibly some sample video... I'd like to promise that for tomorrow... but considering I gotta' be up in about 5 hours then drive 2 hours... to shoot... it probably won't be tomorrow... maybe Tue afternoon or evening.
 
Just so you know... this isn't the first one of these I've done. It's as easy as it looks. I'll edit this post here to include pictures and possibly some sample video... I'd like to promise that for tomorrow... but considering I gotta' be up in about 5 hours then drive 2 hours... to shoot... it probably won't be tomorrow... maybe Tue afternoon or evening.


Ugh. I wish you'd just try to help people on this forum for once instead of thinking about yourself.


(sarcasm):thumbup:

I'll be looking out for the pics and maybe the video. Take all the time you need.
 
Thanks Matt. I've been working on one of these myself, but kept getting stuck on the weight of the fixture. Using a cake pan was GENIUS.
 
Jim here's the video showing one of these in action.

This is just something I knocked out tonight... mere minutes ago... so it 'aint the greatest example... but you get the idea. For me to show you ALL the uses of each light idea would just take too long... so I'm assuming you can see each example and extrapolate the possibilities yourself... and I'm sure you can.

For this video I do have the front of the soft box on... which is another option to turn a soft light into an ultra-soft light... thereby lowering the throw of the flo even more... without the front fabric on the box the throw is better then a normal flo while the spill is still pretty well controlled. The soft box amplifies the CFL output with it's silver interior walls.

When I show the back of the light and it appears like it's being lit by another source... that is the DVX in one hand and a Vidled in the other... I just figured that was the best way to show the detail of the light (that you've mostly already seen).

I'm sure I'll think of something else about this video that I felt important to tell you... but forgot. :cheesy:

EDIT: I just remembered... that is a TOTA speedring (made by Photoflex)... and it's just an EXAMPLE... if you do a permanent CFL fixture then I would suggest NOT building it with a removable speedring, but rather simply BUY the cheaper speedring and incorporate it into your design... which is a complicated way of saying "screw it to your cake pan".

Also... when I show the single bulb inside of the soft box... the light appears to dim down... that is me rolling the iris from F2.0 to F16... and back again.

The front silk on the soft box probably takes off a stop of light... and the eggcrate MAY take as much as 2 stops, even in the beam (because minute surface scatter is fully controlled so that you get light ONLY from each "cell" rather then from the full face... removing the front silk, but still using the eggcrate... let's you retain MOST of the flo's available punch... while still controlling the spill extremely well.

The states of use are: 1) bare bulbs 2) soft box no silk face 3) soft box with eggcrate but no front silk 4) soft box with front silk and no eggcrate 5) soft box with front silk and eggcrate... and then you have output switchable to however many bulbs your fixture has available. The main advantage over a Diva, in doing it this way... is that you have supreme control over the fixture's SPILL... even though a Diva 400 will have more fire on tap. In my experience the control is worth more then the outright lumens anyway... controlling spill on a flo is a nearly impossible feat... so being able to build your own budget-priced fixture... which does this so thoroughly and completely... is a pretty big deal. Everybody SHOULD own a couple soft boxes anyway!
 
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Great job Matt. I'm going to bang a couple of these out next week.

I bought a couple of those LOA 4', double tube fixtures and fitted them with spring and super clamps a couple years ago for an affordable daylight flo. With the hardware and bulbs I'd guess they cost me less than 50 bucks a piece. They are awkward as hell, and the spill is a pain in the ass. Still, I use the hell out of them. So these will be a nice alternative. They are brighter, more contrilled, essentially like a dimmable fixture with the separate bulbs, and smaller.

What are you using to attach them to a stand?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see the mount now.
 
Those are unusual sockets... but the concept is the same. The switches were probably around $2/each... and the bulbs are as cheap or high as you want them to be. Those are Sunalux which may have been $14/each on a case-price. (12) The cake pan was *drum-roll* $1... The Ram Mount could be anything... that could have been a Manfrotto stud adapter (3102 or 3105) for around $10-12 (cheapest place to get these is Mel Pierce Camera in California)... but Ram Mounts are obviously much higher.

Jeez... I don't know exactly... I had 99% of these parts around the house already... I guess the total cost of the fixture itself was under $100 w/o bulbs... even WITH the mount... and if you get the $37 speedring you'll STILL be under $100 total for the fixture, stand mounting, and speedring... then of course having a bunch of bulbs adds another $100 or so... and the soft box is dependent on YOU. Get a cheap one or a good one... as long as it's reasonably well made I'm sure it will be fine.

As I was saying before... everybody who owns a camera should own a soft box anyway. The idea behind this was to take a look at a normal lighting kit and ADD a NEW tool to the kit for cheap. If you have NOTHING and you're wanting to build a kit from scratch... then this light isn't a total bargain... even though it's cheap.

In my case I will still use the soft box and speedring for other lighting jobs... so if you don't count those costs then the price is crazy cheap... but if you're buying a soft box and speed ring SPECIFICALLY for this... then that will most likely account for $100 on it's own... that's going with the Photoflex speedring I suggested and an economic soft box. Even the Westcott box I'm using was only $150.

The thing I've found about lighting modifiers is that people tend to view them in the same way they view support gear for microphones. People don't want to accept the cost of a tool that doesn't actively create the thing you want... even though it's the thing that makes it usable.

This DIY project will show up a Diva 200 easily... and it could compete with a Diva 400... but neither Diva will give you the shaft of light that this thing will.
 
This is a great project Matt... and great video to boot. Except I did notice a bit of a green tint on your skin in the neck area?? wait... now it's orange. Nope... back to green...

good stuff.
 
Help with wiring

Help with wiring

I was really excited when I found this article - thank you for sharing!

I am trying to make one of these myself, but have run into some issues with the wiring. I've done some wiring in the past, but I'm no electrician, so please bear with me.

I am doing basically the same setup, so here's what I have:

1) the green wire from the power source is bolted to the pan for grounding,
2) the black wire from the power source is connected to the off position of the master switch,
3) the white wire from the power source is connected to all the white wires coming from each lamp socket, via a wire nut,
4) a black wire from the on position of the master switch is connected to all other switches at the 'off' position, via a wire nut, and
5) the black wire from each lamp socket is connected to the 'on' position of each respective toggle switch.

I started by hooking up just one lamp, and when I plug it in the master switch works fine, however the individual toggle switch does not affect power going to the light - it remains on (and it's dim).

Any suggestions would be very greatly appreciated!

Greg
 
Some questions / 2010

Some questions / 2010

I am in the process of building up a light kit and your description in this thread seems like a great way to build a cheap softbox setup. I think I have a good idea on how to put it together and I'm pretty handy with the soldering iron but I have a few questions:

What is the depth of the cake pan, I assume a couple of inches?

I see you used an extra plate to reinforce the area where the switches were mounted?

Where can I buy the switches and bulb holders online?

Also is there a special name for the bulb holders as I don't see how the wires on the back attach to the bulb holder terminals?

Speedring and softbox - can you give specific 2010 model numbers as the one listed is no longer made. I am willing got throw $100+ into a good softbox. Speedring, not so sure. Also do I need an eggcrate attachment for the softbox?

What mount can I use, model number? How does a ball mount attach to a light stand?


I've got an upcoming project that will require some talking head interviews and currently don't have any lights at all :( In additional to this light, what do you recommend. Perhaps I should just rent? (I do have a home made light I created out of 6 x 32w philips T8 tubes and shop light fixtures, it works very well but the light is very diffused and transport is probably gonna be a pain + color temp is 4100K but you can buy packs of 10 T8 bulbs for $20! Does make a good studio light though all for about $60.)

Thanks again for documenting this build
Richard
 
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