Canon HF10 and HF100

I was looking at getting the new HV30, but read the info on the HF10 it has most of the manual stuff I want. Plus the 30P was a great addition for me because I shoot action stuff.

But what I really like is true 1920x1080 write to and output, not that 1440 output like the HV30, also no tape, I love the idea of writing to SDHC memory card which will only get cheaper and larger capacity.

My only issue is AVCHD output. Most cameras with this output video is at best ok "JVC HD7" if it is at least as good as the output from the HV20, I will be very happy. I think it should be better because they upped the mbs to 17 and has a high resolution output. I am selling my DVC30 now and will wait for a review.

So by May I should have a HV30 or hopefully a HF10
 
I thought AVCHD was supposed to be killer? Good thing for Barry_Green to chimei n about, but HF10 looks like a cute buy. Especially not 1440 btu 1920 x 1080.

Wonder how this cam's gonna do.
 
AVCHD specs, I do believe goes up to 25 mbs, but most consumer cameras are between 6mbs, and 12mbs, The HF10 can record at 5, 7, 12, and, to do the 1920x1080 it runs at 17mbs My fingers are crossed on the video meeting the hype
 
AVC-HD is going to be the next big thing, yes. I'd like to see higher bandwidth, I don't think 13 mbps is quite enough (that's about equiv. to HDV, and we already have HDV, I want something better). 17 might be enough, although I'd be a lot happier with it at the full 24mbps. At 24mbps the codec should go toe-to-toe or even exceed the XDCAM HQ codec at 35mbps. (of course, none of these little cameras' imaging heads/chips/lenses are going to match a $7,000 HD camcorder; I'm talking only about the codec).

These new Canons sound pretty killer, only question mark is the chip. No fan of the CMOS chip in the HV20, but at least that was bigger, these are even smaller. But they should be a lot more compact and probably will be worthy alternatives to the tape-based HV20.
 
Barry, I think it might be awhile before they can up the mbps above 17. I was researching the SDHC memory chip and the fastest write time I could find was 22mbps. Maybe as the faster memory card are created the faster the mbps will increase
 
Emanuel said:
Hey Barry (first off, I hope all go well with you),

And about that?

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=120841&page=2

What do you think about that bigger sensor?
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I'd love to see it. 1080/60P at under $1,000 sounds very tasty. Of course it's a still camera, so you would assume that a video camera would do a better job of recording video than a still camera would, but ... it's 1080/60p! At under $1,000! If I was still in Vegas I'd be headed over to the Casio booth right now to check it out.
 
bobbyg_leo said:
Barry, I think it might be awhile before they can up the mbps above 17. I was researching the SDHC memory chip and the fastest write time I could find was 22mbps. Maybe as the faster memory card are created the faster the mbps will increase
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I don't think that should be a limiting factor though, because there are hard-disk AVC-HD camcorders too. Maybe they just haven't developed a hardware compression chip that can handle the 24mbps bitrate yet, I don't know, but the sooner they up the bitrate the better!
 
I really fail to see why people are so excited about Canon's dual-flash camcorders. The whole thing is marketing hoopla. What is the point of having non-removable non-upgreadable memory, that has the same throughtput and cost as removable memory cards? Luckily, Canon has memory-card-only models in both HD and SD lineups, these are ones to buy. The price difference between HF10 and HF100 is $200, what are you paying for? For 16GB non-removable RAM. YOu can get a 16GB memory card from a reputable manufacturer for $130, and it will get only cheaper. I really don't know what excitement is about.
 
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Barry_Green said:
AVC-HD is going to be the next big thing, yes. I'd like to see higher bandwidth, I don't think 13 mbps is quite enough (that's about equiv. to HDV, and we already have HDV, I want something better).
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Didn't all the reviews and reports about the 13mbs cameras say that they were not equal to hdv? It was always my understanding that 13mbs was slightly worse, which is why I'd imagine that 17mbs is probably spot on with hdv.
 
Pansonic's HDC-SD1 and other Panasonic cameras are supposed to have low resolution sensors.

But what about the Canon HG10? That looks great.
 
Barry_Green said:
I'd love to see it. 1080/60P at under $1,000 sounds very tasty. Of course it's a still camera, so you would assume that a video camera would do a better job of recording video than a still camera would, but ... it's 1080/60p! At under $1,000! If I was still in Vegas I'd be headed over to the Casio booth right now to check it out.
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Hey Barry, sorry my non-native english! I hope all goes well with you! On topic, I subscribe your words and my only request is if is there anyone out there, I mean there on the right spot?
 
ecking said:
Didn't all the reviews and reports about the 13mbs cameras say that they were not equal to hdv? It was always my understanding that 13mbs was slightly worse, which is why I'd imagine that 17mbs is probably spot on with hdv.
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What credible reviews have said that? I've seen reports on some sites that just slam AVC-HD for being "ghosty" and "noisy"; I've played a bit with 13mbps AVC-HD and can say that I don't know what they're talking about, it looked every bit as good as HDV.
 
So, can a 17Mbps be better than 25Mbps HDV?

And about those coming from the new Casio?

MOV format, H.264/AVC, IMA-ADPCM (stereo)

Especially comparing with the HDV & AVC-HD@17Mbps -- without forgetting the HDMI output...
 
Emanuel said:
So, can a 17Mbps be better than 25Mbps HDV?
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It has the potential to be much better, yes. AVC-HD should be two to 2.5 times more efficient than MPEG-2, translating to mean that 13mbps AVC should look about as good as 25mbps HDV. 17mbps AVC-HD has the *potential* to deliver quality comparable to 35mbps XDCAM-HD. But that's just as a format, that's not counting the whole camera chain (lens, chips, DSP, etc).

Some of this will depend on the encoder though; there's fantastic encoders and there's lousy encoders out there. Sony's first HDV cameras used fairly poor encoders as compared to their new EX1 series.

But the plan and the goal of AVC-HD is to deliver fantastic footage in the smallest bandwidth available, and in general it'll be equivalent quality at about half the bitrate of MPEG-2.

And about those coming from the new Casio?

MOV format, H.264/AVC, IMA-ADPCM (stereo)

Especially comparing with the HDV & AVC-HD@17Mbps -- without forgetting the HDMI output...
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No way to know. What bitrate, what quality of encoder, etc. We'd have to see what the Casio actually delivers.
 
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