Tip for Exporting 24p from Premiere to Encore

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Kishigo

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Everybody probably already knows this, because I'm usually the last to know. But here is a tip for exporting mpeg-2 in 23.976 framerate in Premiere for use in Encore.

The problem with Encore is that it treats your 23.967 progressive footage as if it were 29.976 in the preview monitor. If you scrub through your footage, you will notice that it goes black before the end of the timeline, and loses sync with the audio. Once you create your DVD disk, however, everything works out fine. The problem arises if you want to create chapter points at specific locations in the video. The timing is off.

The solution I found is to mark your chapter points in your Premiere timeline and export as you normally would in Media Encoder. When you import the footage into Encore, import it as a timeline, rather than an asset, and you will preserve your chapter points from Premiere.
 
Kishigo said:
Everybody probably already knows this, because I'm usually the last to know. But here is a tip for exporting mpeg-2 in 23.976 framerate in Premiere for use in Encore.

The problem with Encore is that it treats your 23.967 progressive footage as if it were 29.976 in the preview monitor. If you scrub through your footage, you will notice that it goes black before the end of the timeline, and loses sync with the audio. Once you create your DVD disk, however, everything works out fine. The problem arises if you want to create chapter points at specific locations in the video. The timing is off.

The solution I found is to mark your chapter points in your Premiere timeline and export as you normally would in Media Encoder. When you import the footage into Encore, import it as a timeline, rather than an asset, and you will preserve your chapter points from Premiere.
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Learn something new everyday because I didn't know it, my concern is that everytime I try and import an mpeg, it always tries to convert my footage to 29.9, how can I get pass that where I can just make a 23.9 fps dvd
 
I assume you're talking about exporting a 23.976 mpeg-2 file out of Premiere. If you use Adobe Media Encoder, the following settings will give you a 23.976 progressive mpeg-2 file: Quality - 5, TV Standard - NTSC, Framerate - 23.976, Field Order - None(Progressive), GOP Settings: M Frames - 2 N Frames - 12. All this is in the Video Tab. Also, check the Output Tab way near the top left of the window. On mine it was defaulted to deinterlace, which you don't want.
 
Kishigo said:
I assume you're talking about exporting a 23.976 mpeg-2 file out of Premiere. If you use Adobe Media Encoder, the following settings will give you a 23.976 progressive mpeg-2 file: Quality - 5, TV Standard - NTSC, Framerate - 23.976, Field Order - None(Progressive), GOP Settings: M Frames - 2 N Frames - 12. All this is in the Video Tab. Also, check the Output Tab way near the top left of the window. On mine it was defaulted to deinterlace, which you don't want.
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those are they exact settings, I use when I export utilizing the adobe media encoder, but then when I import them to encore, it makes me convert my files back to 29. how can I bypass this, also, which one is better, encore or architect.
 
Uh Oh. I've never had that problem. How is it making you convert to 29.976 fps? Is it giving you dialog window or does it list it as Transcode in the Project List?

As for Encore vs. Architect, I don't know. I've only used Encore.
 
Kishigo said:
Uh Oh. I've never had that problem. How is it making you convert to 29.976 fps? Is it giving you dialog window or does it list it as Transcode in the Project List?

As for Encore vs. Architect, I don't know. I've only used Encore.
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the latter part, however it forces me to transcode, I can't by pass that window, it makes me convert.
 
Kishigo said:
The problem with Encore is that it treats your 23.967 progressive footage as if it were 29.976 in the preview monitor. If you scrub through your footage, you will notice that it goes black before the end of the timeline, and loses sync with the audio. Once you create your DVD disk, however, everything works out fine. The problem arises if you want to create chapter points at specific locations in the video. The timing is off.
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I also had this problem when frameserving from Premiere to TMPENC when audio wasn't being encoded at the same time. Now I export a .wav separatly and use the frameserver file as the video and .wav as the audio (even though I won't use the audio encoded by TMPENC, and this problem goes away.
 
It seems to me the only way to burn 23.976 in encore is if you are burning to blu-ray. I've racked my head for hours trying to figure out how to keep the frame rate and have yet found a way. Would love to hear if you ever figure it out.

-Jeff
 
DVDs are NTSC or Pal, the problem with 24p (23.976) is that it isn't an NTSC format. So, technically, an ntsc DVD can't display the picture at 23.976 because that's not part of the spec, so what happens is, when you import a 24p file into Encore or DVD studio Pro, it flags the content as 24p but even though it knows and you know it's 24p, it will always show the frame rate as 29.97 (in the program). So how do you get 24p on the disc like they do for features, well, Encore and DVD SP flag the content as 23.976 material so the dvd player knows. If the dvd player is hooked to a tv that can show progressive material (EDTV or HDTV, etc) and the person has gone into the dvd player settings and enabled "progressive output" then it will output progressive to their tv.

If they haven't enabled progressive output (on a tv that isn't hd) then the player automatically adds pulldown to the file so that the tv can receive the required 29.97 stream that it knows how to show. You'll notice that if you pause a DVD and step through frame by frame that it doesn't have pulldown and that it is only whole frames.

So, encode at 23.976P, burn to disc, drop it in your player and then step through frame by frame and you should only have whole frames, if you've done that, then you're doing it correctly. Trust me, I just did the dailies on a feature, and I was really confused, because we were using our RED at 24P and the files I was encoding were 24p and as soon as I imported them into DVD SP, it showed me that they were 29.97, once they were burned, you could step through them frame by frame, and there was no pull down.
 
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