Aliens Versus Predator Requiem
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Cut the rhetoric, there is no physical death by any character. If a requiem is to take place, there must be a death, what dies? Their dreams!
Also for other posters, when it comes to titles, proper grammar really doesn't matter.
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Not disputing that in the least. I dispute a) that "requiem" is a synonym for "death," either in modern usage or in the context of the title, and that b) the "dream" is the "American dream, " as opposed to the specific dreams of the characters.
No rhetoric here.
Were their dreams any different from the principles of the American Dream? Nope. Originally people were questioning if the directors had any idea what a requiem actually is. Of course they did. As I posted before it got deleted, cut the rhetoric. :grin:
There is a great interview from the brothers who are directing this movie and makes it sound like it will be great for those who are fans of the Alien and Predator series, especially the stuff outside of the films.
+++AVP2 small spoiler below+++
You might not think "Alien vs. Predator" fans have much in common with Paul McCartney, but these days, both are singing the same tune:
"I've got to admit it's getting better, a little better all the time - it can't get no worse."
Type the words "Alien" and "Predator" into Google, and three thoughts on the state of the franchise become clear: The fans consider 2004's "AVP: Alien vs. Predator" to be a mockery of all they hold dear; they maintain hope that some filmmaker, someday, will capture the magic of the comics, novels and video games that established the brand; and finally, that the new red-band trailer for December 25's "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem" kicks some serious ass.
"The studio knew that, although the last movie made a lot of money, it didn't really resonate solidly with the fans," admitted Greg Strause, one-half of the filmmaking duo billed as the Brothers Strause. "To get the same people back into the theater a second time, it was gonna be a bit of an uphill battle."
"We really have to prove to the fans," added his brother Colin, "that this movie's gonna be very different from the last one."
On August 24, the first-time filmmakers renowned for highly regarded music videos (Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Californication") and movie effects ("Titanic," "300") launched their initial attack. "Hence, the red-band trailer comin' out," grinned Greg, leaving the edit bay to grab a quick hamburger with his brother.
The duo recently spent a weekend sneaking into theaters and watching the blood-drenched, adults-only clip play in front of shrieking fans - assuring them that they're on the right track with their sequel.
"We wanted to [go R-rated] with it," added Colin, who not only wears the same sunglasses as his 1-year-older brother, but even orders his burger the same way. "I mean, we chest-burst a little kid!"
"Yeah, he dies," Greg confirmed of the ill-fated child. "Onscreen, and very painfully. It's pretty f---ed up, but breaking some of the rules is a good thing here."
Given the go-ahead to make their hard-R flick, the Brothers Strause are steering clear of the PG-13 traps that rendered their predecessor so despised that an "AVP" podcast recently declared, "The only thing [director] Paul [W.S.] Anderson did correctly was bring people closer together in their community hatred of him."
"I don't think anyone wanted us to talk to him," Colin laughed, confirming that they haven't met with Anderson. "This movie works even if you didn't see [Anderson's]."
With that, the duo gave us an exclusive peek at several minutes of intense footage, as well as a breakdown of their franchise renovations.
+++++++++MAJOR frimbazelEN SPOILERS READ AT YOUR OWN RISK ++++++++
Say Hello To The Predalien: After bursting from a Predator's chest at the end of the first flick, "Requiem" picks up with an Alien/Predator hybrid slaughtering several Predators. "The Predalien wreaks havoc and causes a different Predator ship - it's actually a Predator scout ship in this case - to crash on Earth," Greg explained. "You see a bunch of Predators get whacked at the beginning."
The Big Bad Wolf: "Basically you're following this one Predator - the star of this movie," Greg said of the hunter in pursuit. Added Colin, "We call him the Wolf internally because basically he's Harvey Keitel from 'Pulp Fiction.' He's the cleaner. He shows up and he's not there for the trophies. ... If anybody gets in his way, he'll just cut 'em in half."
Cleaning Supplies: "At [an early] point in the movie, [the Wolf] takes a gun off of a dead Predator, and so he has double shoulder cannons," Colin explained. "There's also a cleaner case where he stores all his new weapons. It has an implosion bomb that he uses for imploding the crash ship to basically get rid of it. ... That's a new type of bomb he has."
Death To The Working Class: Avoiding the billionaires and adventurers of the first flick, the soon-to-be battlefield of Gunnison, Colorado, is populated with working-class characters similar to the early "Alien" films. "You've got a small-town sheriff [John Ortiz, 'Miami Vice'] who everyone doubts a little bit," Colin explained. "We've got a brother story between Steven Pasquale ['Rescue Me'] and Johnny Lewis ['The O.C.'] ... There's also a mom [Reiko Aylesworth, 'Mr. Brooks'] returning from the war and trying to get reunited with her family and re-establishing her relationship with her daughter." Added Greg, "She gets very Ripley-esque; she's a tough chick."
Whip It Good: One of the "Wow!" moments in the trailer comes when the Wolf quite literally whips out his new weapon. "[When weapons were being designed,] there was this one picture of a Predator with a bullwhip," Greg recalled. "We were like, 'Sh--, this has to be in the movie! This is the coolest thing I've ever seen!' The concept is that maybe it's been made out of pieces of an Alien tail, so it has these serrated edges. ... If this whip tightens around you, it functions like a chainsaw blade and cuts you in half."
Predator, Heal Thyself: "The med kit's also back because he gets kinda f---ed up in one part," Greg said of a for-the-fans déjà vu moment with the Predator. "You get to see him do the whole med-kit scene where he's healing himself, which we didn't have in the last movie."
She's Got The Look: "The Predalien wants to hunt and reproduce," explained Colin, confirming that while there won't be an Alien queen in the new flick, the Predalien serves essentially the same purpose. "She's got a big queen head." Added Greg: "The main concept is that a Predalien should still be primarily Alien [with] very strong Alien features but with Predator mandibles and Predator dreadlocks. It walks a little more upright than a normal Alien does, but it also has the tail. It uses that tail quite a bit, and it's got a much bigger tail than a normal Alien." The brothers confirmed that the Predalien won't use Predator weaponry.
About Face: "We've also completely redesigned the Predator's face," Greg said of what the Wolf will look like when he takes off his mask. "This Predator has some Alien acid-blood scarring on his face." Added Colin, "One of his mandibles has been melted off, which is a throwback to the one Predator called Broken Tusk in the comics. ... A whole side of his face looks like Freddy Krueger. You can tell this guy's been through a million battles. ... His mandible design is very much like 'Predator 2'; he has multiple fangs on each mandible. ... We added a lot of these extra horns on the crown of his head as well."
The Voice Of Aliens Past: "One of the cool things is we got Fox to go back and digitally remaster the original recordings of the Aliens from 'Aliens,' " beamed Greg. "All of [James] Cameron's sound elements have been digitally remastered - the shrieks, the computer sounds - because we wanna tie it into 'Aliens.' ... The Alien design is also a throwback to Cameron's version. It's different, but it's inspired by the warrior Alien."
Save It For A Rainy Day: "The whole final battle between the Predator and the Predalien is pretty damn cool," Greg said. "['Requiem'] is like two different films. The first half of the movie is one tone, and the second half is when the rain's coming down ... [and] it kicks into higher gear and has more of an action thread."
Leave Your Foam Finger At Home: "We got rid of all the armor on the Predators because those guys [in 'AVP'] literally looked like football players," explained Greg. "We were like, 'The Predator in the first two movies didn't need armor!' "
After their meal, the Brothers Strause went back to the edit bay to screen two scenes: one in a morgue that ends with the Predator dissolving an Alien's face with liquid from a blue-lit container, and another with the civilians stocking up at a gun store and listening on a radio while the National Guard are taken apart by Aliens.
"I'd like to do another one but I'd like to do it in space. The next one either has to be more of the bridge after this and before 'Alien,' or you could do something after 'Aliens,' " Greg said, getting back to work. "We have a pretty finite ending to this, but we have a cliffhanger per se; it's a setup."
There is a great interview from the brothers who are directing this movie and makes it sound like it will be great for those who are fans of the Alien and Predator series, especially the stuff outside of the films.
+++AVP2 small spoiler below+++
You might not think "Alien vs. Predator" fans have much in common with Paul McCartney, but these days, both are singing the same tune:
"I've got to admit it's getting better, a little better all the time - it can't get no worse."
Type the words "Alien" and "Predator" into Google, and three thoughts on the state of the franchise become clear: The fans consider 2004's "AVP: Alien vs. Predator" to be a mockery of all they hold dear; they maintain hope that some filmmaker, someday, will capture the magic of the comics, novels and video games that established the brand; and finally, that the new red-band trailer for December 25's "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem" kicks some serious ass.
"The studio knew that, although the last movie made a lot of money, it didn't really resonate solidly with the fans," admitted Greg Strause, one-half of the filmmaking duo billed as the Brothers Strause. "To get the same people back into the theater a second time, it was gonna be a bit of an uphill battle."
"We really have to prove to the fans," added his brother Colin, "that this movie's gonna be very different from the last one."
On August 24, the first-time filmmakers renowned for highly regarded music videos (Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Californication") and movie effects ("Titanic," "300") launched their initial attack. "Hence, the red-band trailer comin' out," grinned Greg, leaving the edit bay to grab a quick hamburger with his brother.
The duo recently spent a weekend sneaking into theaters and watching the blood-drenched, adults-only clip play in front of shrieking fans - assuring them that they're on the right track with their sequel.
"We wanted to [go R-rated] with it," added Colin, who not only wears the same sunglasses as his 1-year-older brother, but even orders his burger the same way. "I mean, we chest-burst a little kid!"
"Yeah, he dies," Greg confirmed of the ill-fated child. "Onscreen, and very painfully. It's pretty f---ed up, but breaking some of the rules is a good thing here."
Given the go-ahead to make their hard-R flick, the Brothers Strause are steering clear of the PG-13 traps that rendered their predecessor so despised that an "AVP" podcast recently declared, "The only thing [director] Paul [W.S.] Anderson did correctly was bring people closer together in their community hatred of him."
"I don't think anyone wanted us to talk to him," Colin laughed, confirming that they haven't met with Anderson. "This movie works even if you didn't see [Anderson's]."
With that, the duo gave us an exclusive peek at several minutes of intense footage, as well as a breakdown of their franchise renovations.
+++++++++MAJOR frimbazelEN SPOILERS READ AT YOUR OWN RISK ++++++++
Say Hello To The Predalien: After bursting from a Predator's chest at the end of the first flick, "Requiem" picks up with an Alien/Predator hybrid slaughtering several Predators. "The Predalien wreaks havoc and causes a different Predator ship - it's actually a Predator scout ship in this case - to crash on Earth," Greg explained. "You see a bunch of Predators get whacked at the beginning."
The Big Bad Wolf: "Basically you're following this one Predator - the star of this movie," Greg said of the hunter in pursuit. Added Colin, "We call him the Wolf internally because basically he's Harvey Keitel from 'Pulp Fiction.' He's the cleaner. He shows up and he's not there for the trophies. ... If anybody gets in his way, he'll just cut 'em in half."
Cleaning Supplies: "At [an early] point in the movie, [the Wolf] takes a gun off of a dead Predator, and so he has double shoulder cannons," Colin explained. "There's also a cleaner case where he stores all his new weapons. It has an implosion bomb that he uses for imploding the crash ship to basically get rid of it. ... That's a new type of bomb he has."
Death To The Working Class: Avoiding the billionaires and adventurers of the first flick, the soon-to-be battlefield of Gunnison, Colorado, is populated with working-class characters similar to the early "Alien" films. "You've got a small-town sheriff [John Ortiz, 'Miami Vice'] who everyone doubts a little bit," Colin explained. "We've got a brother story between Steven Pasquale ['Rescue Me'] and Johnny Lewis ['The O.C.'] ... There's also a mom [Reiko Aylesworth, 'Mr. Brooks'] returning from the war and trying to get reunited with her family and re-establishing her relationship with her daughter." Added Greg, "She gets very Ripley-esque; she's a tough chick."
Whip It Good: One of the "Wow!" moments in the trailer comes when the Wolf quite literally whips out his new weapon. "[When weapons were being designed,] there was this one picture of a Predator with a bullwhip," Greg recalled. "We were like, 'Sh--, this has to be in the movie! This is the coolest thing I've ever seen!' The concept is that maybe it's been made out of pieces of an Alien tail, so it has these serrated edges. ... If this whip tightens around you, it functions like a chainsaw blade and cuts you in half."
Predator, Heal Thyself: "The med kit's also back because he gets kinda f---ed up in one part," Greg said of a for-the-fans déjà vu moment with the Predator. "You get to see him do the whole med-kit scene where he's healing himself, which we didn't have in the last movie."
She's Got The Look: "The Predalien wants to hunt and reproduce," explained Colin, confirming that while there won't be an Alien queen in the new flick, the Predalien serves essentially the same purpose. "She's got a big queen head." Added Greg: "The main concept is that a Predalien should still be primarily Alien [with] very strong Alien features but with Predator mandibles and Predator dreadlocks. It walks a little more upright than a normal Alien does, but it also has the tail. It uses that tail quite a bit, and it's got a much bigger tail than a normal Alien." The brothers confirmed that the Predalien won't use Predator weaponry.
About Face: "We've also completely redesigned the Predator's face," Greg said of what the Wolf will look like when he takes off his mask. "This Predator has some Alien acid-blood scarring on his face." Added Colin, "One of his mandibles has been melted off, which is a throwback to the one Predator called Broken Tusk in the comics. ... A whole side of his face looks like Freddy Krueger. You can tell this guy's been through a million battles. ... His mandible design is very much like 'Predator 2'; he has multiple fangs on each mandible. ... We added a lot of these extra horns on the crown of his head as well."
The Voice Of Aliens Past: "One of the cool things is we got Fox to go back and digitally remaster the original recordings of the Aliens from 'Aliens,' " beamed Greg. "All of [James] Cameron's sound elements have been digitally remastered - the shrieks, the computer sounds - because we wanna tie it into 'Aliens.' ... The Alien design is also a throwback to Cameron's version. It's different, but it's inspired by the warrior Alien."
Save It For A Rainy Day: "The whole final battle between the Predator and the Predalien is pretty damn cool," Greg said. "['Requiem'] is like two different films. The first half of the movie is one tone, and the second half is when the rain's coming down ... [and] it kicks into higher gear and has more of an action thread."
Leave Your Foam Finger At Home: "We got rid of all the armor on the Predators because those guys [in 'AVP'] literally looked like football players," explained Greg. "We were like, 'The Predator in the first two movies didn't need armor!' "
After their meal, the Brothers Strause went back to the edit bay to screen two scenes: one in a morgue that ends with the Predator dissolving an Alien's face with liquid from a blue-lit container, and another with the civilians stocking up at a gun store and listening on a radio while the National Guard are taken apart by Aliens.
"I'd like to do another one but I'd like to do it in space. The next one either has to be more of the bridge after this and before 'Alien,' or you could do something after 'Aliens,' " Greg said, getting back to work. "We have a pretty finite ending to this, but we have a cliffhanger per se; it's a setup."
Well, *I* didn't delete your post. I did remove the personal attack on another poster when I restored it, though.
All you have to do is look at my post #31 to see how the author of the novel himself saw the difference between the two types of "dreams." It isn't "rhetoric."
And also, I was responding to your contention that "requiem" means the same as "death" in modern usage and in the context of the title "Requiem for a Dream." If you agree with me now that it doesn't, then great.
In any case, see if you can back off from the hostility, willya?
You guys need a sarcasm smiley, because that grin was the best I could find. The smileys have failed me for the last time!
The point is, people doubted both director's knowledge of the meaning of requiem. I have yet to see anybody state something that proves that.
Either way you look at it, does a mass for the dead or death itself relate to multiple types of aliens on earth, trying to kill each other and the population of a town of humans? Of course it does, it isn't just in there for the cool factor.
While Selby Jr. may not have meant the American Dream specifically, once you publish something, it is up for many more interpretations than you actually meant, some making even more sense. The 'dreams' of a better like in Requiem for a Dream are no different than the American Dream, unless it has changed. Wanting wealth, fame, a better life and happiness are all part of 'THE DREAM' and were all parts of 'THEIR DREAMS'.
The point is, people doubted both director's knowledge of the meaning of requiem. I have yet to see anybody state something that proves that.
Either way you look at it, does a mass for the dead or death itself relate to multiple types of aliens on earth, trying to kill each other and the population of a town of humans? Of course it does, it isn't just in there for the cool factor.
While Selby Jr. may not have meant the American Dream specifically, once you publish something, it is up for many more interpretations than you actually meant, some making even more sense. The 'dreams' of a better like in Requiem for a Dream are no different than the American Dream, unless it has changed. Wanting wealth, fame, a better life and happiness are all part of 'THE DREAM' and were all parts of 'THEIR DREAMS'.
mjjason
Well-known member
Reading the article above it seems like they know what their audience wants, something the first one did not. However, the movie still sound like a cheesy creature/monster attacks small town type movie. No matter how you dress those movies up they pretty much follow the same premise.
Nothing truly exciting here.
Nothing truly exciting here.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
This is the biggest problem I see with interpreting an artist's work. Particularly, if said artist has stated his/her own interpretation. We are always trying to read into something, that which does not belong. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
karapetkov
Well-known member
And what is this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1094162/
They seem to be out-AVP-ing each other now.
:violent5:.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1094162/
They seem to be out-AVP-ing each other now.
:violent5:.
karapetkov
Well-known member
What nonsense.
Gord.T
Still "Senior Member"
Not sure what that was. I guess someone trying to captilize on the series to get some brownies. Woohoo.
Obviously not pro. Obviously not Hollywood. F off.
karapetkov
Well-known member
I see that the makers of AVP2 are counting on a higher body count to improve their boxoffice performance.
But a thousand dead bodies look even uglier on top of a big nothing.
But a thousand dead bodies look even uglier on top of a big nothing.
I am not even sure if that youtube video link I posted was for a real film or a fan film or a fack trailer.
AVP2 (AVP:R) looks and sounds really good. The two directors know what fans of the AVP series want and are giving it to them (hopefully). They also love making fun of the first AVP and Anderson.
AVP2 (AVP:R) looks and sounds really good. The two directors know what fans of the AVP series want and are giving it to them (hopefully). They also love making fun of the first AVP and Anderson.
karapetkov
Well-known member
I'll probably watch this, cause I'm curious about what level of stupidity it will reach.
Billy Pilgrim
Stye in my eye
Good lord, I feel like my IQ has dropped significantly after watching this. I need to read a dictionary for a while, and then watch Eraserhead seven times tonight. Then maybe I'll be back to normal. I'd give this movie 1/5 of a star. I'd give it the bottom left corner of a star.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
um.... I wasted my money last night... the tie-in at the end was hilarious!