Edius shows only 1280x1080

dwcdv

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Hi,

I just imported my first HVX 200 clips into Edius Broadcast 4.24.
I shot the clips in 1080i 24p. Firestore setting was P2 Pn.
In the Clip property they shows only as 1240x1080.
Are they not suppose to be 1920x1080?

I am confused.

Dorian
 
The HVX200 1080P video uses anamorphic (non-square) pixels which are 1.5 as wide as they are tall. The 1920x1080 video is encoded using 1280x1080 pixels.

A similar technique is used by other video formats, including 16:9 DV and some HDV formats.
 
Just make sure you choose 1920x1080 when you export, or an equivalent 16:9 aspect ratio resolution.... Other than that, don't worry about it at all. It's normal.

Jason
 
Does that mean, whenever I bring a clip to the timeline, I have to render it first when I set the output resolution other than the input?

Dorian
 
No, Edius will handle all that automatically if it knows that the pixels aren't square. When you look at the video properties of the clip in the bin, it should show an anamorphic aspect ratio.
 
Thank you,

I asked, because now, whenever I bring a clip from the bin to the timeline, it plays only 1-2 sec then stop. There is a red line on top, meaning it has to render first. When I render, it runs ok.
But a bit timeconsuming, if you just want to look at the clips!

Dorian
 
Go to Settings -> Application Settings -> Playback and turn off the "Stop Playback at frame drop" option, that should allow the clip to play continously, although it may skip a frame occasionally.

The red line indicates that Edius must render, so your project settings don't match your clip's properties. If the settings match, then the settings change above should become unnecessary, though I would still keep it.
 
Great.....thank you!

Would you have an other advice for me...?
I posted it in the GV forum, but no reply so far;
the requirement for me to deliver the clips are: DVCPRO HD in Quicktime. Since I use PC it seems to be impossible to encode i this format.
But I heard, DVCPRO HD in Quicktime is the most universal format which can be used on both platforms and is not too big. What would be the next option which also could be easy opened by MAC? DVCPRO HD avi? I have no idea about MAC at all. But I bought Procoder 3 because I thought I can encode into any format needed.

Dorian
 
DVCPRO-HD on Quicktime is not a universal format at all, because Apple refuses to make the Windows version of Quicktime able to play those files.

The only way to get a Windows system to play DVCPRO-HD quicktime files is to go to DVFILM.COM and pick up a copy of the DVCPRO-HD Quicktime Decoder program.
 
Thank you Barry!
Well.... then in this case it is the "universal format for the Mac people " only.
Actually, I don't need to play those files, I am suppose to deliver my clips in that format.
What encoder would be giving about the same file size but can be used on both platforms?

Dorian
 
EDIUS Broadcast will import DVCPRO HD QuickTime files, but as you have found, it cannot create them.
 
Great.....thank you!

But I heard, DVCPRO HD in Quicktime is the most universal format which can be used on both platforms and is not too big. What would be the next option which also could be easy opened by MAC? DVCPRO HD avi? I have no idea about MAC at all. But I bought Procoder 3 because I thought I can encode into any format needed.

Dorian

I've worked with this issue a lot over the last 3 months, with the requirement of creating cross platform clips (whether Mac, Windows, or web-based players).

My general rule of thumb is that DVCPro HD codec is an appropriate cross platform ONLY if the viewer is using an NLE. QT on Windows and (almost 100% positive) Windows Media Player on Windows both do not play DVCPro HD. In effect, DVCProHD is great for editors but otherwise should not be used. (E.g., I record DVCProHD AVI files to Windows via DVRack 2.0 and then transcode to DVCProHD P2 Files -- via P2 functionality in Edius -- for my Mac-based editors).

As far as creating clips that play on freely available viewers and that work cross-platform, I make the assumption that QuickTime is the cross platform (non NLE) player, .MOV as the cross-platform file type, and H.264 as the best codec (given the assumption that QT is the player).

Procoder creates high quality QT. MOV files with the H.264 codec. The resulting H.264 MOV files will play in QuickTime on both PC and Mac. Set the bitrate between 8000-12,000 depending on the length of the movie and get a nice compromise between quality and file size (thanks THoff...).

H.264 codec does take longer than other codecs but the quality is better than say MPEG2 or MPEG4 or Sorenson.

BTW, for web based display, FLASH appears to be the best choice right now because of file size considerations. On2's FLASH creator results in pretty amazing quality at very small file sizes relative to QT. (A 40 MB Flash file can look as good as a 250MB Quicktime HD file.Key for high quality is two-pass conversion for Flash players). Plus, FLASH players are installed on more machines than QuickTime and FLASH is cross platform and web-browser agnostic (mostly).

Hope it helps.
 
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Hi Treefilm,
thank you very much for your suggestion. The people I am suppose to supply the footage insist on QT DVCPRO HD- not even avi they will accept!
The clips are only 20 sec long and they should be in the best quality possible. No sound. I checked the Procoder settings and in the System Presets there are 2 options : Quicktime File and Quicktime Export File. In both options I can not set the Bitrate.
Also when I am using the QT Export File, it brings me to Quicktime Movie. Even there are no Bit rate options
Are you refering to an other Preset?
If I use HD H264 then the file ext is .H264 and can not be played in QT.

Dorian
 
I'm afraid the only solution I can propose right now would be to go back out to DVCPRO HD deck and recapture on a Mac.

Unless someone knows of a way to "unwrap" a Canopus HD AVI, extract the DVCPRO HD data in it, then "rewrap" it in a QuickTime wrapper.
 
Sounds interesting...

Just to clarify for the rest, the problem is not the data - the data is DVCPRO HD data. It's the "packaging" (container format) and "labeling" (codec identifier) that are problematic.

It's like having a light bulb that works in your lamp, but instead of being labels "Lamp bulb" on the bulb and being in a box marked "Bulb for Brandon's lamp" it's marked "Illumination support apparatus" in a box marked "Cool equipment."

Brandon
 
Sorry straying a little, but I really wanted to share this secondary analogy...

Many of you probably had school lunches with little rolls (bread). Well, at my school, sometimes for St. Patrick's Day, they'd put green food coloring in the roll, so we'd get a green roll.

A lot of us said "Eww!" and didn't want to eat it. It's the same here. We all know it's still a roll and will taste the same. But somehow psychologically, because it's green and we don't think it should be green, we shy away from it.
 
Hi Treefilm,
thank you very much for your suggestion. The people I am suppose to supply the footage insist on QT DVCPRO HD- not even avi they will accept!
The clips are only 20 sec long and they should be in the best quality possible. No sound. I checked the Procoder settings and in the System Presets there are 2 options : Quicktime File and Quicktime Export File. In both options I can not set the Bitrate.
Also when I am using the QT Export File, it brings me to Quicktime Movie. Even there are no Bit rate options
Are you refering to an other Preset?
If I use HD H264 then the file ext is .H264 and can not be played in QT.

Dorian

Hi Dorian,

Couple items: 1) DVCProHD in .MOV wrapper is pretty rare combo. In order to get files like this, per Barry's suggestions, DVFilm Maker is probably the best bet but I have never tried it. (I am always converting away from DVCPro HD, not to).
2) You can create a .MOV file with H.264 codec. Choose QT Export File and make the appropriate settings. You can also adjust bitrate. The post from below by THoff explains more.

hope that helps.

From THOFF:
You have to do it when you set your QuickTime parameters. Take a look at this old tutorial (well, it was really just a single post for someone who asked how to output H.264 with Edius), and adjust the bitrate in the final dialog:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...73&postcount=7

All you should need to do is change the dimensions to 1920x1080, set the keyframe interval to automatic, and up the bitrate to 10,000 Kbps or so.
 
Thank you guys!
Ok, now I see where to change the bit rate!
Unfortunately, what Barry suggested is not working. Got an email from Marcel, the owner of DVFilm's Maker:
"No, sorry, unless you want to use the Avid DVCPROHD codec."
I checked the Avid, they have their own codec.
There are not many options left.......
Firestore records in Quicktime, but the problem is, how to get the data back into Firestore. I can try it once I get a P2 card.
If I have sucess, I will post it here.

Dorian
 
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