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Thanks for the kind words! Sally and I have a pretty big vision for this company. Almost worth eating Chinese food 3 times a day ;-)
Cool-Light's Blue Line body with "HMI" guts
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Thanks for the kind words! Sally and I have a pretty big vision for this company. Almost worth eating Chinese food 3 times a day ;-)
No way, I do that too!!! Oh... wait... you mean real Chinese food... I am eating Cup O' Noodles 3 times a day for my company, ROFL...
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Yes real chinese food. I've had ramen phases before too though.
Shawn Philip Nelson
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Holy crap! I remember you and I discussing this idea 6 months or so ago when I suggested putting a cheap HID into a fresnel body. I had no idea you'd run off to China and do it! You rock!
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"Cheap HID"? There's less to separate an "HMI" and a cheap HID than you might think actually. You'll be able to use a cheap 575w bulb or an expensive Osram or Philips HMI type in our 575w solutions. I'm currently using an Osram clone but Osram works just as well in there too. Same with the 1200 when it comes out.
China is where we do all our products now. I plan to spend at least 9 to 10 months out of the year here and do all R&D and manufacturing from here. I've been investigating this metal halide angle since about October, when I first started trying to find the most energy efficient and coolest hard light to compliment our fluorescent lines. Metal halide was the best thing I found so I knew this development cycle we would probably be doing these things.
China is where we do all our products now. I plan to spend at least 9 to 10 months out of the year here and do all R&D and manufacturing from here. I've been investigating this metal halide angle since about October, when I first started trying to find the most energy efficient and coolest hard light to compliment our fluorescent lines. Metal halide was the best thing I found so I knew this development cycle we would probably be doing these things.
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Okay, I think this will be another long posting so I need to put a few things together. Basically, there's a lot of choices though that are all the same spec from Phillips, G.E. and of course the original, Osram. Not to mention all the different clones from no-name manufacturers. The only thing holding you back from ultimately using them all is the different supported socket types. They have such an array of different socket types that you pretty much only get to stick to the one that you have in your fixture. More later...
HorseFilms
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with when it's all said and done. Your whole line of products is really grabbing my attention. Keep it up!:beer:
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The 150w Bulbs
The 150w Bulbs
USLatinContent asked about the bulbs we'll be using. I was writing an article on this for my Blog so I think I'll just post the first draft here also to answer a lot of questions:
Introduction
When I was designing the new Cool Lights Hardlight Series fixtures, I considered using the elliptical type metal halide bulbs (E26 and E40 screw-in sockets) for a short time but rejected the idea very quickly because of their size and also because they just don’t yield the professional solution that a smaller pro type socket version gives. The elliptical bulbs are also are typically much bigger than their (G12, G22, GX9.5, etc.) counterparts especially the larger wattages. Therefore, I chose to go the standard route followed by most stage and studio fixtures using the commonly available single ended socket types. This article will focus on the bulbs the Hardlight Series fixtures will use—mostly using Osram as the benchmark and then seeing what else is available.
The Osram Solution: 150w Bulbs
For the Cool Lights 150w and 575w fixtures let’s look to the single ended Osram bulbs as our model and then see what else is compatible and available elsewhere. For simplicity we’ll consider only color temperatures in the 3000K/3500K and 5000K/6000K ranges and CRI of 80 or above. These bulbs are available in single ended and double ended but we will limit to single ended as those are best for Fresnel and Par type instruments. We also won’t consider the elliptical lamps with E26 or E40 bases as their sizes are too large for use in compact fixtures like the one’s we’re designing. For burning position, we like the universal type wherever possible. Why limit how the fixture can be used is my feeling on this. Cool Lights 150 metal halide Fresnel is using a G12 socket and a GX9.5 socket for our base line 575w par. A G22 in the 575w Fresnel and SportLight Par 575. The 1200w products, when they’re ready will use the G22 for non-hot restrike and G38 for hot restrike. So, the scope of this article is to cover the bulbs available in the socket types Cool Lights fixtures use. In general, the metal halide bulbs fall into two technology families: quartz discharge tube and ceramic discharge tube. Quartz models are also known as “dysprosium” lamps and are the older technology.
Osram HCI 150 & HCI 150
Ceramic is mostly only available in lower wattages of 400w or less and also provides the possibility of the highest CRI’s too. For the 150w G12 base fixtures, there are the low end models of HCI-T and HQI-T ceramic and quartz respectively. Both available in 3000K and 4200K and CRI 90 for Ceramic and CRI 80 for quartz. The HCI come in a very standard 105mm length package but the HQI come in a shorter package of 84mm—the shortest of these type bulbs I’ve seen which means you could perhaps fit it in a smaller fixture. Since the center point or spot where the arc is at (“LCL” parameter) is the same distance as the HCI models, these bulbs can be used interchangeably. Unfortunately though you would be locked in to this bulb as I haven’t seen this package size from other manufacturers if you design a fixture that really needs its more compact length. The HCI-TM 250W/830 coming in G22 base, color 3000K and 4200K and CRI of 80 looks very interesting for a future 250w fixture offering.
Osram HCD 150 & HSD 150
Next up the quality chain, there is the HCD and HSD “Architainment” types which are ceramic and quartz (respectively) metal halide bulbs also using G12 bases. The 4ArXS HCD 150W comes in 3000K and 4200K and CRI of 90. It has one of the highest lumen per watt ratings I’ve seen in these types of bulbs at 100—the average for most others is 85. Therefore, the lumen output is a big 15,500. The lifetime at 8000 hours although some GE and Phillips models have even longer lives. A high quality bulb and uses the very common G12 socket that we need for our 150w products. The 4ArXS HSD 150W/70 is the next closest color temperature but 7000K is really high and would require CTO filtering to bring it to more standard levels.
By the way, all the above-mentioned bulbs are non-hot restrike (too bad!). Even so, the 150w ceramic models are in many ways more interesting than the higher wattage quartz ones. Longer life, more lumens per watt and (perhaps the most exciting) the possibility of a high CRI tungsten color is a reality as is the more common daylight too. The older quartz metal halide bulbs are seemingly incapable of a high CRI tungsten color. When they try it, many times it comes out little better than a sodium vapor type and is totally unusable for photographic / video applications. I expect this to change though as the ceramic technology matures and is available in higher wattages. I’m not sure about Osram’s choice of 4200K for daylight other than to match existing 4200K common office type lighting choices. In the introduction, I said we wouldn’t consider anything outside of the 3000K or 5000K range but Osram doesn’t cover the high daylight range well in the lower wattage bulbs. Phillips and G.E. also made similar choices. The lack of solutions in the 5000K to 6000K range from the big manufacturers is inconvenient but not to worry, as other clone manufacturers fill this void with very interesting products which are lower cost also. Next we'll look at the 575w bulbs.
The 150w Bulbs
USLatinContent asked about the bulbs we'll be using. I was writing an article on this for my Blog so I think I'll just post the first draft here also to answer a lot of questions:
Introduction
When I was designing the new Cool Lights Hardlight Series fixtures, I considered using the elliptical type metal halide bulbs (E26 and E40 screw-in sockets) for a short time but rejected the idea very quickly because of their size and also because they just don’t yield the professional solution that a smaller pro type socket version gives. The elliptical bulbs are also are typically much bigger than their (G12, G22, GX9.5, etc.) counterparts especially the larger wattages. Therefore, I chose to go the standard route followed by most stage and studio fixtures using the commonly available single ended socket types. This article will focus on the bulbs the Hardlight Series fixtures will use—mostly using Osram as the benchmark and then seeing what else is available.
The Osram Solution: 150w Bulbs
For the Cool Lights 150w and 575w fixtures let’s look to the single ended Osram bulbs as our model and then see what else is compatible and available elsewhere. For simplicity we’ll consider only color temperatures in the 3000K/3500K and 5000K/6000K ranges and CRI of 80 or above. These bulbs are available in single ended and double ended but we will limit to single ended as those are best for Fresnel and Par type instruments. We also won’t consider the elliptical lamps with E26 or E40 bases as their sizes are too large for use in compact fixtures like the one’s we’re designing. For burning position, we like the universal type wherever possible. Why limit how the fixture can be used is my feeling on this. Cool Lights 150 metal halide Fresnel is using a G12 socket and a GX9.5 socket for our base line 575w par. A G22 in the 575w Fresnel and SportLight Par 575. The 1200w products, when they’re ready will use the G22 for non-hot restrike and G38 for hot restrike. So, the scope of this article is to cover the bulbs available in the socket types Cool Lights fixtures use. In general, the metal halide bulbs fall into two technology families: quartz discharge tube and ceramic discharge tube. Quartz models are also known as “dysprosium” lamps and are the older technology.
Osram HCI 150 & HCI 150
Ceramic is mostly only available in lower wattages of 400w or less and also provides the possibility of the highest CRI’s too. For the 150w G12 base fixtures, there are the low end models of HCI-T and HQI-T ceramic and quartz respectively. Both available in 3000K and 4200K and CRI 90 for Ceramic and CRI 80 for quartz. The HCI come in a very standard 105mm length package but the HQI come in a shorter package of 84mm—the shortest of these type bulbs I’ve seen which means you could perhaps fit it in a smaller fixture. Since the center point or spot where the arc is at (“LCL” parameter) is the same distance as the HCI models, these bulbs can be used interchangeably. Unfortunately though you would be locked in to this bulb as I haven’t seen this package size from other manufacturers if you design a fixture that really needs its more compact length. The HCI-TM 250W/830 coming in G22 base, color 3000K and 4200K and CRI of 80 looks very interesting for a future 250w fixture offering.
Osram HCD 150 & HSD 150
Next up the quality chain, there is the HCD and HSD “Architainment” types which are ceramic and quartz (respectively) metal halide bulbs also using G12 bases. The 4ArXS HCD 150W comes in 3000K and 4200K and CRI of 90. It has one of the highest lumen per watt ratings I’ve seen in these types of bulbs at 100—the average for most others is 85. Therefore, the lumen output is a big 15,500. The lifetime at 8000 hours although some GE and Phillips models have even longer lives. A high quality bulb and uses the very common G12 socket that we need for our 150w products. The 4ArXS HSD 150W/70 is the next closest color temperature but 7000K is really high and would require CTO filtering to bring it to more standard levels.
By the way, all the above-mentioned bulbs are non-hot restrike (too bad!). Even so, the 150w ceramic models are in many ways more interesting than the higher wattage quartz ones. Longer life, more lumens per watt and (perhaps the most exciting) the possibility of a high CRI tungsten color is a reality as is the more common daylight too. The older quartz metal halide bulbs are seemingly incapable of a high CRI tungsten color. When they try it, many times it comes out little better than a sodium vapor type and is totally unusable for photographic / video applications. I expect this to change though as the ceramic technology matures and is available in higher wattages. I’m not sure about Osram’s choice of 4200K for daylight other than to match existing 4200K common office type lighting choices. In the introduction, I said we wouldn’t consider anything outside of the 3000K or 5000K range but Osram doesn’t cover the high daylight range well in the lower wattage bulbs. Phillips and G.E. also made similar choices. The lack of solutions in the 5000K to 6000K range from the big manufacturers is inconvenient but not to worry, as other clone manufacturers fill this void with very interesting products which are lower cost also. Next we'll look at the 575w bulbs.
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Osram HSD 575W
For the 575w bulbs, we have the HSD “Architainment” class which comes in a GX9.5 base; color temperature is 6000K and CRI is 85. The technology is quartz metal halide. Lifetime for the 575w is very long at 3000 hours but all the HSD models have longer than average life specs. HSD has a protective outer glass jacket and has some other interesting single ended wattages for us to revisit in some future fixtures. For instance, the 250w and 1200w hold a lot of promise for another model of Fresnel and our 1200w par respectively.
Osram HMI 575W/SE HR
Next, the “Entertainment” class which come in HMI, HTI and HSR types. Most all of these come in 6000K color temperature with some variation on CRI between 85 and 90. HMI family are all hot restrike, all the other families for the 575w single ended are usually GX9.5 or GY9.5 base and non-hot restrike. The HMI 575W/SE and HMI 575W/SEL are of particular interest for our fixtures. These lamps both have a G22 base and are hot restrike capable. Specifications are nearly identical except that the SEL model has a 1000 hour life and 450 C seal temperature whereas the older SE model only has 750 hour life and 350 C seal temperature.
HTI family 575w are unsuitable for use in Cool Lights fixtures as we only use single ended bulbs and the 575w HTI are mostly double ended. Perhaps a future offering will use a double ended 575w though as they have their advantages in certain situations. While some of the other single ended wattages in the HTI line might be interesting, they are totally unusable for serious applications as the CRI values are very low. These models have no outer glass jacket, their life is somewhat shorter and they are optimized for projection or effect lighting. We’ll forget HTI altogether.
Osram HSR 1200
HSR is the bottom line, mostly for architectural lighting use but the 575w is completely usable for our non-hot restrike GX9.5 fixtures as the color temperature is 6000K and CRI is 85. Lifetime is 1000 hours. HMI and HSR families both have a protective outer glass jacket. Other models in this line such as the 400w or the 700w may be usable in a future fixture but the 1200w model seems unsuitable as it’s CRI is lower and is considered a projector or effect light.
Osram HMI 200 SE (Example shown for GZY9.5 Socket).
There are so many base types for the different 575w models in these families. Where possible, we design for the 575w with a G22 base in the fixture so we can interchangeably use either hot restrike bulbs and ballasts or make the choice to use the less expensive non-hot restrike G22 base versions. If we design with the more common and compact GX9.5 or GY9.5 bases, we limit ourselves to non-hot restrike right away as the 9.5mm distance between the contacts means potential arcing during the restrike and is therefore unsuitable for hot restrike use. Only the less common GZY9.5 (as used in the 200w HMI model for example) and GZX9.5 (both with special ceramic insulation between the contacts), or the more common and larger G22 or G38 are hot-restrike-capable sockets.
The 1200w models come in either G38 socket for Hot Restrike Capable or G22 for non-Hot Restrike types. From Osram this would be the HMI 1200W/SE and SEL for Hot Restrike and the HSR 1200W/60 FS1 for non-Hot Restrike.
Now, let's look at equivalents for all these models in other manufacturers.
575 & 1200 Watts
For the 575w bulbs, we have the HSD “Architainment” class which comes in a GX9.5 base; color temperature is 6000K and CRI is 85. The technology is quartz metal halide. Lifetime for the 575w is very long at 3000 hours but all the HSD models have longer than average life specs. HSD has a protective outer glass jacket and has some other interesting single ended wattages for us to revisit in some future fixtures. For instance, the 250w and 1200w hold a lot of promise for another model of Fresnel and our 1200w par respectively.
Next, the “Entertainment” class which come in HMI, HTI and HSR types. Most all of these come in 6000K color temperature with some variation on CRI between 85 and 90. HMI family are all hot restrike, all the other families for the 575w single ended are usually GX9.5 or GY9.5 base and non-hot restrike. The HMI 575W/SE and HMI 575W/SEL are of particular interest for our fixtures. These lamps both have a G22 base and are hot restrike capable. Specifications are nearly identical except that the SEL model has a 1000 hour life and 450 C seal temperature whereas the older SE model only has 750 hour life and 350 C seal temperature.
HTI family 575w are unsuitable for use in Cool Lights fixtures as we only use single ended bulbs and the 575w HTI are mostly double ended. Perhaps a future offering will use a double ended 575w though as they have their advantages in certain situations. While some of the other single ended wattages in the HTI line might be interesting, they are totally unusable for serious applications as the CRI values are very low. These models have no outer glass jacket, their life is somewhat shorter and they are optimized for projection or effect lighting. We’ll forget HTI altogether.
HSR is the bottom line, mostly for architectural lighting use but the 575w is completely usable for our non-hot restrike GX9.5 fixtures as the color temperature is 6000K and CRI is 85. Lifetime is 1000 hours. HMI and HSR families both have a protective outer glass jacket. Other models in this line such as the 400w or the 700w may be usable in a future fixture but the 1200w model seems unsuitable as it’s CRI is lower and is considered a projector or effect light.
Osram HMI 200 SE (Example shown for GZY9.5 Socket).
There are so many base types for the different 575w models in these families. Where possible, we design for the 575w with a G22 base in the fixture so we can interchangeably use either hot restrike bulbs and ballasts or make the choice to use the less expensive non-hot restrike G22 base versions. If we design with the more common and compact GX9.5 or GY9.5 bases, we limit ourselves to non-hot restrike right away as the 9.5mm distance between the contacts means potential arcing during the restrike and is therefore unsuitable for hot restrike use. Only the less common GZY9.5 (as used in the 200w HMI model for example) and GZX9.5 (both with special ceramic insulation between the contacts), or the more common and larger G22 or G38 are hot-restrike-capable sockets.
The 1200w models come in either G38 socket for Hot Restrike Capable or G22 for non-Hot Restrike types. From Osram this would be the HMI 1200W/SE and SEL for Hot Restrike and the HSR 1200W/60 FS1 for non-Hot Restrike.
Now, let's look at equivalents for all these models in other manufacturers.
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Equivalents from other Manufacturers
Equivalents from other Manufacturers
Equivalents
Now that we’ve covered the base Osram models, let’s look at equivalents. For the 150w, there are many clone ceramic and quartz metal halide bulbs out there in a wide range of color temperatures. Some far more interesting daylight colors than those offered by Osram for instance. We can certainly find some good 3000K colors too in relatively high CRIs so we can say the 150w world is covered very well for lots of choices. It’s one major reason I decided my base model was 150w—the bulbs are so easily found. The Phillips CDM150T6/830 3000K with CRI of 85 is well priced and also available in 4200K like the Osrams. The GE CM150/T/UVC/U is another choice. The Iwasaki Electric (which we’ve talked about before), Eye Color Arc 150w G12 offerings, are also very good with high CRI values and available in 3000K, 3500K, 4500K and 6500K. Ushio is another manufacturer to watch with their “Ceramique” series and 3000K/4200K choices and CRI is listed as “80 to 90.”
The Cool Lights G12 150w bulbs will be from a Chinese manufacturer and will be available in 3000K and 5400K. Our 150w fixture offerings will include one free bulb with choice of color temperature. Replacement bulbs should be in the $30 range. Lifetime will be about 2000 hours.
For 575w Hot Restrike, a good equivalent to the HMI 575W/SEL (with double the life at 2000 hours) it’s hard to beat the Phillips MSR 575 HR with color temperature of 6000K and CRI of 95. Another alternative a bit higher than the Phillips model is the GE HSR575/SE/HR with color temperature of 6000K and CRI of 90 and the GE CSR575/SE/HR with CRI of 95. Eiko has some of the best offerings in 5600K with the ESR575-SE-HR CRI 90.
For 575w non-Hot Restrike in GX9.5 base, many of the choices are disqualified (at least by me) for being CRI 75. We only have the MSR575/2 but it’s color temperature is 7200K and CRI is 80—not ideal. Ushio has some high wattage models like the 575w and 1200w, but CRI is not listed so it’s suspect and requires some more research. Eiko has the ESD575-SE-D and ESR575-SE-NHR in 5600K / CRI 90.
In G22 base non-Hot Restrike, the GE CID575 in 5500K and CRI of 85 is a great find. There are so many others too. When searching for equivalents, just use the model numbers given here and ask for a manufacturers equivalent to the Osram, Phillips or GE model you specify.
Phillips MSR 1200 HR
For 1200w Hot Restrike you have the G38 equivalent models from Phillips, GE, Eiko and others as well as the non-Hot Restrike G22 models.
Conclusion
As you can see, Cool Lights has made every effort to not only offer a lower cost solution but also a solution where you aren’t locked into some proprietary standard. We will offer reasonably priced clone bulbs as part of the fixture packages and also for replacements too, when it’s time for one. However, if you should decide, for whatever reason you would rather use an Osram, Phillips or GE as your replacement in the future, you can. All the bulbs we are using are available from a wide variety of sources and follow the standards for each particular family used.
Reference:
Osram HCD 150:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...TI-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HCD/4ArXS_HCD150-30e.pdf
Osram HSD 575:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...TI-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HSD/4ArXS_HSD575-60e.pdf
Osram HMI 575WSEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi575WSEe.pdf
Osram HMI 575W/SEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi575WSELe.pdf
Osram HSR 575:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HSR/HSR575-60e.pdf
Osram HMI 1200W/SEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...lay_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi1200WSELe.pdf
Osram HSD 1200:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...I-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HSD/4ArXS_HSD1200-60e.pdf
Phillips Catalog:
http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/hid/pdf/p-5434b.pdf
GE Constant Color G12 bulbs:
http://www.gelighting.com/na/busine...nloads/hid/46906_constantcolor_cmh_se_g12.pdf
GE Showbiz Catalog 2006:
http://www.gelighting.com/na/busine...ry/catalogs/downloads/cat_stagestudio2006.pdf
Iwasaki G12 bulbs:
http://www.eye.co.jp/catalogue/index.html
Ushio Catalog:
http://www.ushio.com/files/catalog/usr.pdf
Ushio Ceramique Line:
http://www.ushio.com/products/entertainment/mh-ceramique.htm
Eiko Line:
http://www.eiko.com/Products.aspx?CatID=331
Equivalents from other Manufacturers
Equivalents
Now that we’ve covered the base Osram models, let’s look at equivalents. For the 150w, there are many clone ceramic and quartz metal halide bulbs out there in a wide range of color temperatures. Some far more interesting daylight colors than those offered by Osram for instance. We can certainly find some good 3000K colors too in relatively high CRIs so we can say the 150w world is covered very well for lots of choices. It’s one major reason I decided my base model was 150w—the bulbs are so easily found. The Phillips CDM150T6/830 3000K with CRI of 85 is well priced and also available in 4200K like the Osrams. The GE CM150/T/UVC/U is another choice. The Iwasaki Electric (which we’ve talked about before), Eye Color Arc 150w G12 offerings, are also very good with high CRI values and available in 3000K, 3500K, 4500K and 6500K. Ushio is another manufacturer to watch with their “Ceramique” series and 3000K/4200K choices and CRI is listed as “80 to 90.”
The Cool Lights G12 150w bulbs will be from a Chinese manufacturer and will be available in 3000K and 5400K. Our 150w fixture offerings will include one free bulb with choice of color temperature. Replacement bulbs should be in the $30 range. Lifetime will be about 2000 hours.
For 575w Hot Restrike, a good equivalent to the HMI 575W/SEL (with double the life at 2000 hours) it’s hard to beat the Phillips MSR 575 HR with color temperature of 6000K and CRI of 95. Another alternative a bit higher than the Phillips model is the GE HSR575/SE/HR with color temperature of 6000K and CRI of 90 and the GE CSR575/SE/HR with CRI of 95. Eiko has some of the best offerings in 5600K with the ESR575-SE-HR CRI 90.
For 575w non-Hot Restrike in GX9.5 base, many of the choices are disqualified (at least by me) for being CRI 75. We only have the MSR575/2 but it’s color temperature is 7200K and CRI is 80—not ideal. Ushio has some high wattage models like the 575w and 1200w, but CRI is not listed so it’s suspect and requires some more research. Eiko has the ESD575-SE-D and ESR575-SE-NHR in 5600K / CRI 90.
In G22 base non-Hot Restrike, the GE CID575 in 5500K and CRI of 85 is a great find. There are so many others too. When searching for equivalents, just use the model numbers given here and ask for a manufacturers equivalent to the Osram, Phillips or GE model you specify.
Phillips MSR 1200 HR
For 1200w Hot Restrike you have the G38 equivalent models from Phillips, GE, Eiko and others as well as the non-Hot Restrike G22 models.
Conclusion
As you can see, Cool Lights has made every effort to not only offer a lower cost solution but also a solution where you aren’t locked into some proprietary standard. We will offer reasonably priced clone bulbs as part of the fixture packages and also for replacements too, when it’s time for one. However, if you should decide, for whatever reason you would rather use an Osram, Phillips or GE as your replacement in the future, you can. All the bulbs we are using are available from a wide variety of sources and follow the standards for each particular family used.
Reference:
Osram HCD 150:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...TI-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HCD/4ArXS_HCD150-30e.pdf
Osram HSD 575:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...TI-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HSD/4ArXS_HSD575-60e.pdf
Osram HMI 575WSEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi575WSEe.pdf
Osram HMI 575W/SEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi575WSELe.pdf
Osram HSR 575:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/osram_com/products/display_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HSR/HSR575-60e.pdf
Osram HMI 1200W/SEL:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...lay_optic/5_TI-Bl%E4tter/HMI/hmi1200WSELe.pdf
Osram HSD 1200:
http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/os...I-Bl%E4tter/4ArXS%20HSD/4ArXS_HSD1200-60e.pdf
Phillips Catalog:
http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/hid/pdf/p-5434b.pdf
GE Constant Color G12 bulbs:
http://www.gelighting.com/na/busine...nloads/hid/46906_constantcolor_cmh_se_g12.pdf
GE Showbiz Catalog 2006:
http://www.gelighting.com/na/busine...ry/catalogs/downloads/cat_stagestudio2006.pdf
Iwasaki G12 bulbs:
http://www.eye.co.jp/catalogue/index.html
Ushio Catalog:
http://www.ushio.com/files/catalog/usr.pdf
Ushio Ceramique Line:
http://www.ushio.com/products/entertainment/mh-ceramique.htm
Eiko Line:
http://www.eiko.com/Products.aspx?CatID=331
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Also, in case you missed it, I posted in this thread:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=101386
Talking a bit about the special pre-ordering offers we'll have as well as special shipping options for customers that need a solution quickly or those in other countries beside the USA.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=101386
Talking a bit about the special pre-ordering offers we'll have as well as special shipping options for customers that need a solution quickly or those in other countries beside the USA.
wow... nice post... though this time it is a bit of cheating... we want exclusive material Richard, :thumbsup:
I haven't read it yet though cause I had a drive crap out on me and I've been crazy but I already skimmed through it very fast and in case you don't mention it on your posts... can you give us an idea of what they would cost for replacements? I am very interested to know cause buying two lights (a 575 and a 1200) would already be more I can handle and if a bulb were to bust it would put me out bad... of course if you are not sure of bulb selection or if you would offer them.. or anything else that i might not have though of, please just give us what you can in terms of info, just trying to guess-timate my future diet... hahaha
thanks in advance!
I haven't read it yet though cause I had a drive crap out on me and I've been crazy but I already skimmed through it very fast and in case you don't mention it on your posts... can you give us an idea of what they would cost for replacements? I am very interested to know cause buying two lights (a 575 and a 1200) would already be more I can handle and if a bulb were to bust it would put me out bad... of course if you are not sure of bulb selection or if you would offer them.. or anything else that i might not have though of, please just give us what you can in terms of info, just trying to guess-timate my future diet... hahaha
thanks in advance!
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Not too worry on the ballasts. All our stuff uses universal voltage ballasts. It adds a bit of cost, but it helps us too so we don't have to maintain two inventories of all the products we carry and will be carrying in the future.
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On bulb costs. This is not the most intensive research but a sampling of what the prices are like from a couple of sites. We are working on carrying Osram but I don't know if its going to be possible yet. The prices are all over the place but I think are mostly indicative of the bulb life and, of course, each retailers choices in level of discount.
Lets look at some prices for the Osrams and then some of the others. I used www.bulbman.com and www.bulbamerica.com as my references for most and some other scattered sites for the Eiko type.
150w Bulbs:
Range in price from around $20 to $250 depending upon manufacturer and lifetime. Average seems to be $65.
Our replacements should be in the $30 to $40 range with lifetime in the 2000 to 3000 hour range.
Osram Hot Restrike Capable:
HMI 575W/SE $149
HMI 1200W/SE $225
Osram Non-Hot Restrike Capable
HSR 575 $120
HSR 1200/2 $185
HSD 575 $180
Phillips HR
MSR575/HR $135
MSR1200/HR $240
Phillips Non-HR
MSR575/2 $160
MSR1200 $175
GE HR
CSR575/SE/HR $180
CSR1200/SE/HR $255
GE Non-HR
CSR575/2/SE $166
CSR1200/2/SE $200
Eiko HR
ESR575-SE-HR $135
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESR1200-SE-HR $180
[/FONT]Eiko Non-HR
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESD575-SE-D $128
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESR1200-SE-NHR $178
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]Cool Lights Target Prices (if we sell Chinese clones):
575w HR $110 (life 750 hours)
1200w HR (not decided--not that many clones can do HR)
575w NHR $80 (life 1000hrs)
1200w NHR $90 (life 1000hrs)
So you can see the clones have a shorter life. If we sell the Osrams I don't know what the prices would be yet.
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Lets look at some prices for the Osrams and then some of the others. I used www.bulbman.com and www.bulbamerica.com as my references for most and some other scattered sites for the Eiko type.
150w Bulbs:
Range in price from around $20 to $250 depending upon manufacturer and lifetime. Average seems to be $65.
Our replacements should be in the $30 to $40 range with lifetime in the 2000 to 3000 hour range.
Osram Hot Restrike Capable:
HMI 575W/SE $149
HMI 1200W/SE $225
Osram Non-Hot Restrike Capable
HSR 575 $120
HSR 1200/2 $185
HSD 575 $180
Phillips HR
MSR575/HR $135
MSR1200/HR $240
Phillips Non-HR
MSR575/2 $160
MSR1200 $175
GE HR
CSR575/SE/HR $180
CSR1200/SE/HR $255
GE Non-HR
CSR575/2/SE $166
CSR1200/2/SE $200
Eiko HR
ESR575-SE-HR $135
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESR1200-SE-HR $180
[/FONT]Eiko Non-HR
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESD575-SE-D $128
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]ESR1200-SE-NHR $178
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]Cool Lights Target Prices (if we sell Chinese clones):
575w HR $110 (life 750 hours)
1200w HR (not decided--not that many clones can do HR)
575w NHR $80 (life 1000hrs)
1200w NHR $90 (life 1000hrs)
So you can see the clones have a shorter life. If we sell the Osrams I don't know what the prices would be yet.
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Richard, You are truely the man.
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It's hard to make it look easy. ;-)
so what was the life of the Osrams?
1000 or less hs. seems too short... I know it is normal but I am basically a first time light owner now... what would you say would be the best Quality and life balance
I am sorry for asking but there is so much info here! I thank you for doing all the foot work and all the analizing comparing testing so on and so forth... you really do make it look easy, so easy that you forget you went all the way to freaggin' China and spent who know how much time there driving from factory to factory... plus an insane amount of time on the phone and web... however...
...you are the guy that can answer this question better than anyone... what's the best bulb?
It is too broad of a question, but I am asking on behalf of those in my situation... who can barely afford getting lights but want to have a few of their own... I guess what I am saying is what would be the best bank for your buck without compromising quality...
I SWEAR I will not ask any more questions... hahaha... and please feel free fo answer in one short sentence... you worked enough posting for us already :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
1000 or less hs. seems too short... I know it is normal but I am basically a first time light owner now... what would you say would be the best Quality and life balance
I am sorry for asking but there is so much info here! I thank you for doing all the foot work and all the analizing comparing testing so on and so forth... you really do make it look easy, so easy that you forget you went all the way to freaggin' China and spent who know how much time there driving from factory to factory... plus an insane amount of time on the phone and web... however...
...you are the guy that can answer this question better than anyone... what's the best bulb?
It is too broad of a question, but I am asking on behalf of those in my situation... who can barely afford getting lights but want to have a few of their own... I guess what I am saying is what would be the best bank for your buck without compromising quality...
I SWEAR I will not ask any more questions... hahaha... and please feel free fo answer in one short sentence... you worked enough posting for us already :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: