Construction of a Gas Free Electric Van-Documentary

I still geek out over the idea of running straight vegetable oil (SVO). Unfortunately, my Land Rovers aren't available in the USA as diesel as they are in the ROW. I could be pulling over 35 mpg instead of, it's embarrassing... 18 mpg highway.

A member of one of our expeditions had a diesel 110 that he drove to Belize from Texas and back and only filled his long range tanks once. We filled about a dozen times over the course of the trek.

That was a tough one to swallow in BZ, where fuel was about $8 / gallon US.

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I read somewhere that in addition to the hydrogen and water, Denny Klein also needed 4 gallons of petroleum. Obviously, specualation of course. We really can't know all the details but REALLY interesting link overland. so, thanks for that.
 
Yeah, that's why I suggested Bruce research the guy and his processes for his project. I don't know the answers, but anyone and everyone I show the link to is intrigued by the ramifications of the story. As far as I'm concerned, it's a huge story - just one notch below UFOs on the Mall in DC or Him making a verifiable appearance.

I can think of four reasons why the project is quiet:
  1. Legally imposed quiet period
  2. They killed him
  3. Technology isn't commercially / technically viable
  4. The whole thing was a scam
I truly think it's #1 - I hope it's number 1.

Really, even if it took a supercharged electrical system or four gallons of gas beneath it - and that's the first time I've heard this anywhere - to get 100mpg averaged across the tank, wouldn't this still be a remarkable technology? Benchmarked against any current, commercially available system, I'd say the answer is a resounding yes.

Conversely and anecdotally, people in Iowa tell me that they can't grow enough corn right now. Knowing that we've had the technology to run on vegetable, peanut, soy or native plains grass since 1894 simply makes me angry given our current situation. That's not a political statement as much as it is a lamenting of our beauracracy. We've really blown it over the past 100 years from an energy policy perspective.

I'm sold on bio / SVO, but I hope that this man can turn this HH20 thing into his own trillion-dollar industry. Bless him for trying. We should all be as industrious.

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Biofuel as its known is not viable simply because the amount required due to demands would not be possible to fill that supply (you would need thousands of acres) etc..

Look, I've recently been working for Lotus Cars, and I know I still have an NDA with them, but let me say without going into details, that they tested infront my my very eyes, a Lio-Ion Powered sports car that has the following specs:

speed : 155 MPH
Range per charge : 355 (approx)
Charge time : 10 Minutes
0-60: can't remember but its damn fast, daaaaamn fast

Best part they will be selling them in Cali in America :) you lucky sods!
 
Anhar, I don't want to hear anymore from you until you help me import a diesel LR! The exchange rate is so brutal right now, but man, I'd really love a 110 Tdi crew cab right about now. These V8s... I tell ya.

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overlandfilms said:
Yeah, that's why I suggested Bruce research the guy and his processes for his project. I don't know the answers, but anyone and everyone I show the link to is intrigued by the ramifications of the story. As far as I'm concerned, it's a huge story - just one notch below UFOs on the Mall in DC or Him making a verifiable appearance.

I can think of four reasons why the project is quiet:
  1. Legally imposed quiet period
  2. They killed him
  3. Technology isn't commercially / technically viable
  4. The whole thing was a scam
I truly think it's #1 - I hope it's number 1.

Really, even if it took a supercharged electrical system or four gallons of gas beneath it - and that's the first time I've heard this anywhere - to get 100mpg averaged across the tank, wouldn't this still be a remarkable technology? Benchmarked against any current, commercially available system, I'd say the answer is a resounding yes.

Conversely and anecdotally, people in Iowa tell me that they can't grow enough corn right now. Knowing that we've had the technology to run on vegetable, peanut, soy or native plains grass since 1894 simply makes me angry given our current situation. That's not a political statement as much as it is a lamenting of our beauracracy. We've really blown it over the past 100 years from an energy policy perspective.

I'm sold on bio / SVO, but I hope that this man can turn this HH20 thing into his own trillion-dollar industry. Bless him for trying. We should all be as industrious.

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I'm all for industriousness. But my wife is the daughter of an Iowa corn former, who's heavily invested in ethanol, and according to him, it's straight up true -- they CAN'T produce enough -- at least not without taking substantial amounts away from the food supply.

As for the water engine, you can't separate the hydrogen from the oxygen without the electrolysis. Like I said, the electricity has to come from somewhere -- so where will that be?

I think on your list, #3 is by far the most likely candidate. Things too good to be true usually are, and something THAT big would absolutely be pursued by many, many people. No way to keep all of them down, either.
 
Check the patent app that Mr. Klein filed, and see who his co-app is. The guy was charged with fraud in FL.
About every ten years the water engine appears...last time was some dude in KS. Then it was Brown's gas, now it's HHO. Same BS...sorry, but the laws of physics are UNAMENDABLE. You can't get more from a system than the energy you put in.
And watch some video of Mr. Klein welding with his water gas...it's a really crappy brittle weld. I've welded enough, and have friends that are union nuclear certified pipe welders---think schooling/internships that rival med school (hey they ARE welding the pipes in a nuke plant after all!)---they all laugh about the water gas welders. One trait that it does very good is cutting solid blocks of steel thicker than 2-3"...
 
Everyone knows you need one of those. That's grade school stuff, man. I'm really trying hard to find some plutonium to generate the 1.21 gigawats of power. My Mr. Fusion broke, and I don't have enough money to replace it, so I'm looking into the plutonium. Anyone know where I can find plutonium? B & H seems to be out, plus they're not taking orders (how many jewish holidays could there possibly be?) so I'm at a loss.
 
Here tell Iran may been getting some plutonium in soon...better ask quick for it though, don't think it wlil last long!
 
Hello Overland
Yes great food for thought or should I say fuel.
I have one issue (since I have not read the linked info closly)
My goal is to use AVAILABLE ELCTRIC MOTORS with solar reharge and maybe a small back up petrol reharge system .
The van will have two motors .and two banks of batteries one in use the other recharging-shades of redundancy from the days of the old Los Angeles red cars which had two motors !!.
Cheerss
Bruce
 
on the suject of NASA fuel cells Ive heard nothing in this thread and I am somewhat suprised .They were discussed in Gordon Coopers book Leap Of Faith in 2000.
Any thoughs on the old nasa fuel cell technology?
Cheers to all !!

Bruce
 
Fuel cell technoplogy is not NEW, its over 100 years old, its simply reverse electrolysis, you take hydorgen and and oxygen to produce water and electricity.

Now, the pros is that extremly long electrical storage is possible, but it also has many negatives:

(1) Hydrogen storage issue, its a highly flamable liquid/gas.
(2) Hydrogen generation requires a lot of engery or chemical process that can cause pollution.
(3) Requires complex sub-systems to maintain and run a working fuel cell unit.

My advise to you would be to stick to a pure battery EV route. Take a look at in wheel motors also.

Solar recharge is not a bad idea, but its unlikely you would get much eletrical power from solar panels (depends on how big your willing to fit), one thought would be to imbed the entire car surface. That way during parking in a sunlit area, you may be able to get a few extra miles from trickle charging (hey its free miles so why not?, in theory if left long enough you could actually reach full charge)

Pay attention to the new breeds of Superpolymer Lith-Ions batteries, they are expensive but have the best energy/volume capacity at the moment (see electroyava batteries [Canadian company], see orginal post has link).

Just as a side thought JUST standard Lith-Ions are getting ranges in excess of 300-400 miles (and with super fast charging technology down to 10 minutes its really viable for long ranges) just what kind of range ar you looking for?
 
Real Progressz here in Developing the idea

Real Progressz here in Developing the idea

Thanks for the answer on fuel cells .
That basic development was brought up as a way of covering present technology and I felt it would fall into the elimination cataegory .

The answer to the question of rage is 300- 400 miles per day is fine .Eventally I am trying to go from Los Angeles to Nevada desert and to White Sand New Mexico ...and Arizona
I plan to visit ghost towns in nevada and the Mesas in Hopi country in AZ.

.I know that extreem heat and cold can change the preformance of all battery sytems .Therefore some cooling and maintenance and even warming system is needed .

The vw bus year series 67-70 is used to eliminate extranious electronic systems(ie breaking electronics and power steering and to accomidate a minimum hauling capacity ie -two people ,suppplies, camera and the extra motor and the second bank of batteries .
I saw the possiblity that those new decorative hub caps with ROTATING FLANGE DISCS could be used while the wheels are rotating -to develop extra charging power .On down hill runs I pictured extending wind fan tubes from the window area as in the old 40's sedans inorder to generate more charging power ..
The van in my opinion ..at least during test phase should have -
AS STATED PREVIOUSLY
An extra electric motor and as second set a batteries always recharging .

Thanks for the very informative contributions .
I have to learn the basic torque and power band preformance of the vw bus as it was originally planned then match this withthe proper electric motor .
I will need a cooling system for the electric motor and maybe event for the battery cells and also a battery management systems .
You were corrct in assuming an overall solar paint or overall solar paneling .That is the idea .
Using an old vw bus is just an ideaa to keep the project simple .
I cant thank you enough for the feedback and the thoughts on this subject folks
Cheers
Bruce :dankk2:
 
Anhar, you're talking about the Tesla, correct? If you happen to know anyone over there, give me a shout, I've been trying to reach them with not much success. Very interesting story, for sure.

Overland, yes, it's true, we're running out of water. It sounds ridiculous, but I think privatization of water is going to be one of the huge issues of this century!
 
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