Free gigs discussion

mrWr0ng

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I haven't seen much talk about this lately, but I figure with summer around the corner, a lot of people graduating and trying to get into the industry, find work, etc, this is a good time to talk about it.

This month it will be two years since I graduated college and went into the industry. Not knowing how else to build up my portfolio, I took my share of free gigs for hopes of demo material, contacts and possible future paying gigs.

My quick advice is this: Don't. This is not a hard and fast rule, as I've since done gigs for free for friends and for a project that I *really* feel strongly about. Sometimes there are hard working people with really great ideas who just don't have the money to pull a crew together. But more often than not, these people are shady, cheap and looking to make a quick buck off of you and your work.

A good example: I took a gig off of Mandy.com right after I'd gotten my HVX. It was a concert featuring Australian guitarist Tommy Emmanuel. Big name (I didn't know him, but doing some quick research, he had a legitimate site under Sony's label), so I agreed to it. I showed up, everyone was very professional, i got some good material for my demo, autographed CDs, and one of the other cameramen later called me for paying gigs and I've been working with him regularly, putting music videos on my resume.

A bad example: I took a gig (also off of Mandy.com) for a music video for Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Big name with a production company out of NYC, another music video for my roster, sounded great. Big problem, however - they sent the grips out into this abandoned barn to set up a dolly track with the warning, "Watch out for the nails!" (apparently they knew the field had a bunch of rusty old nails in it but neglected to clean them up). Well, I found one of them, rather my foot did. They told me to go to the doctor, get a tetanus shot and they would cover it. Well, my insurance denied the claim and the LLC (Alibi Pictures, ran by Adam Feinstein for anyone interested) has since dropped off the face of the planet and won't return correspondence, leaving me with a $800 bill on a free gig.

I haven't lost any gear on shoots or had anything stolen, but there are some very shady people who prey on desperate folks looking for reel material, students and just-graduated types looking for a foot in the door. Be very wary of these people, because they ARE out there.

I generally will pass on anything that shows a "No compensation" or "credit/copy/meal" only, but I do look out for particular scenarios:

- If an ad is particularly well-written and structured, showing a great deal of thought put into exactly what they're looking for, I will give it some thought. Especially if there's a website or photos involved. If it looks like they've really got their stuff together and it sounds like an interesting project, I will give it consideration.

- If the ad is filled with spelling errors or doesn't give a clear, concise definition of what they're looking for, off the table immediately.

- If they promise big things "down the road," ie "this might lead to more paying gigs," or somesuch, I pass immediately. These are people that either have not made the connections they need, are way too naive and idealistic to put together something serious, or are in need of you to provide their reel for them.

- If they toss out big names right off the bat (Madonna, "this will get play on MTV," etc), I pass immediately. My question to these people are, "If you're working on such a big project with such a big name artist, WHY IS THERE NO PAY?" These are complete rip-offs and generally are either shady individuals, or people who think they know someone who don't have anything scheduled or put together but figure they can take YOUR work and show their connection to get it passed on to the name in question.

- If they want someone immediately, or have unrealistic demands, I will pass. "I need you to be here right now and I need an HD camera with 14 P2 cards, 7 P2 stores and a full Arri lighting kit." These people just annoy me.

Generally, if they're not paying, you should pass. Especially if you have good equipment. But I know many of you will take free gigs, I took some myself. But with the amount of free gig ads out there and people that still respond, many people will be looking to free gigs to give them the foot in the door they want. Well, I can tell you this: My first paying gigs didn't care about my demo, that I got through calling and talking to them.

If you're gonna work free gigs, make sure that you don't bring your gear (or at least your good stuff, cos they're not paying for it). Get lots of contact info to make sure you can get ahold of somebody later if you want footage or you meet a good person, bring lots of business cards to network (this is really the only way you're gonna get something out of this), and make sure you communicate well in advance to make sure this is legit. If you ever get a bad feeling, don't do it.

But in general, try not to take them. If people get their work for free, they don't have to pay, and if no one's investing money into a local film community, there will never be a strong enough community to start attracting bigger projects.
 
Well, I don't think I would ever consider doing something for free for someone I never met or got through a paper. But I do work for free for friends all the time. It's the only way to get good crew when I don't have money for my own projects - labor exchange.
 
you can also pretty much assume that any ad looking for "recent college grads" is not a paying gig. Or my favorite compensation...."will be a fun time with food, drinks & girls"
 
Theres an amazing rant by a graphic designer, that got him banned fomr Craigslist. he basically said, "dont do things for free". They need you, you dont need them. of course there are extenuating circumstances, but i really think that holds true. There is a difference between a guy with a cmaera who will work for 100$ and a Cinematographer with a camera, who asks for 2000 a day. you aint paying for the camera... youre paying for the experince behind the cmaera. Some people dont get that paying for talented individuals is worth the investment. I always stick up for people in the community who are trying to mnake a living.
 
Mark Harris said:
Well, I don't think I would ever consider doing something for free for someone I never met or got through a paper. But I do work for free for friends all the time. It's the only way to get good crew when I don't have money for my own projects - labor exchange.

Well said and very true for most of us.

Some people dont get that paying for talented individuals is worth the investment.

Also true. But those kinds of gigs rarely come from places like public message boards.


I work for free when it's appropriate, usually to pay back a favor, or do one for someone I might need. But when I was just getting started I would work for free all the time just for the experience. I have no regrets.
 
I did a few free gigs because I started out without any connections, not knowing people, and not having any pro experience. In those scenarios, it worked out for me because I did make the necessary connections and gained (and still am, of course) pro experience necessary to start competing for the paying gigs.

The situation is different these days, but I think a lot of people start out in the same spot. Many people start out as PA's doing BS work on a film set, a gig they got through a friend or something. I did that, too. It's not too dissimilar doing it through online things, except you have to be more careful because there's no one that can vouch for you, or them.
 
I don't do things for free anymore unless it's for a friend. I used to think that you have to start out doing free/cheap gigs to build connections, but all that ended up happening is people lining up around the block for freebies. One of my "client" actually threatened to sue me unless I do a music video for free! I told her to go scr*w off and haven't heard from her again.

What annoys me the most are those people that acts high and mighty when I ask about compensation. "Payment? But we're a non-profit organization! You tell us how much we should be paying."
 
Capt Quirk said:
What kinda jobs you working? I have yet to find a job where girls are provided!

I didn't work the job, it was for a video shoot for hooters models in philly that was posted on craigslist. It was sorta tempting...but I doubt my wife would have enjoyed me taking part in that.

If they offer food for compensation, I better be getting a five course meal with a $200 bottle of merlot, not some cold pizza out the back of a truck.
 
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