new redrock m2 has anyone used it?

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Ronster

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Wondering if anyone has used the new Redrock m2 that doesn't flip the image upside down yet?

I'm about to shoot a feature film, but am not sure to go with the new redrock unit or the ps technik

I would buy the redrock, but rent the ps technik

i'm just not sure which is better overall

i hear the redrock is a bit difficult to use

but was wondering what you all thought?

Any suggestions would be cool

Ronster
ps i posted this in the technical I should have posted it here...sorry
 
I have not used the PS Technick, so I cannot give you advice based on using the two- I do have the M2, and I use it and I like it. From the spec's of the two here is a quick pro's con's list of the two adapters:

Redrock M2-
Pro's -
Affordable: You will own the unit and you will be able to use it whenever you want
Great image: Check out their site for samples
Great customer service: They are on these boards and they have their own forum. They are quick to reply and help you out with any issues.
Con's -
Light loss: you will need more light when using this adapter. But this is true of almost all of the adapters.
No Image Flip: The image is upside down. Although they just came out with an accessory that will allow you to flip the image, but you do loose some more light.

PS Technic -
Pro's-
Great image: You can check out their site for samples
Image is flipped: the image is recorded right side up, which means no rendering, or fliping of the image
Con's-
Even more light loss: (From what I've heard) due to the fliping of the image, so you will need even more light then the M2.
Expensive: It will cost a lot to buy, renting would be the way to go, however this gives you less flexibility in your shooting schedule, as it may or may not be available to rent when you need it.

I would also suggest that you do a search on this board and on dvinfo.net as on one of the sites someone did a write up comparing the two. I can't remember where it was located at, and I can't find the link, but it is out there. Maybe google it?
 
235 Studios,

thanks for that break down

yeah it is tough for me to make this decision. I have used the PS technik and was very happy with the results. but the unit costs 10 thousand to buy and about 1,800 to rent

the Redrock costs about 3,300 maybe a little more with that new attachment to flip the image back

I would say you loose about 2 to 3 stops using the PS technik total....after having to zoom in to put the unit on and then the actualy loss through the unit

yeah I will spend the next few days doing research on the boards. I will try and find those comparison articles

thanks again for the reply

Ronster
 
We have both the P+S Technik and The RR M2, and can definitely say that it's no contest. The P+S Technik produces a great image, is much easier to focus (especially for Jib, Dolly shots, etc), and, as mentioned the image is upright. It's sturdier as well.

Obviously, it SHOULD be a much better piece of equipment considering the price difference. The M2 is a good piece, it just takes a little more time to work out the kinks.
 
No more image flip on the Redrock M2?

No more image flip on the Redrock M2?

Is there somewhere online that I can find this announcement? The new Redrock doesn't flip the image anymore? Please link me to the story or press release. I couldn't find anything on the redrock website about it.

Mike


Original Quote from Ronster:

"Wondering if anyone has used the new Redrock m2 that doesn't flip the image upside down yet?"
 
I've used both and as 235 Studios put it nicely, they both have pros and cons. I find in most situations, people will choose one over the other depending on what they are going to shoot. Which one is easier set-up, etc.

One issue as well with the M2, is if you have a soft mount, the edges of the frame tend to go a little soft. if you can get the hard mount, it helps remedy the problem.
 
Hard/Soft mount?

Hard/Soft mount?

Cinechick said:
I've used both and as 235 Studios put it nicely, they both have pros and cons. I find in most situations, people will choose one over the other depending on what they are going to shoot. Which one is easier set-up, etc.

One issue as well with the M2, is if you have a soft mount, the edges of the frame tend to go a little soft. if you can get the hard mount, it helps remedy the problem.
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What do you mean by hard or soft mount?
 
(soft mount) the unit comes with a soft rubber hood that slips onto the macro thats screwed into the front of your cams lense threads, and the rubber hood extends down to the back of the adaptor unit. so its kind of like a rubber downsizing optic tube of sorts.

(hard mount) but you can use downsizing filter threads, and some hollow filter rings to screw you camera directly onto the back of the M2 unit without using the rubber lense hood.


I personally own an M2, and I am really happy with it. I'll definitely be purchasing the flipping add-on when its available as it only costs an additional 1/2 stop of light. ..for me thats somewhere in the range of the "so ..uh ...i'm supposed to care about that?" region of importance. having an upright image (and therefore no need for the additional weight of an on camera monitor, or extra step of flipping in post) is well worth some negligeable light loss anyday. the on cam LCD with focus assist really takes the gueeswork out of focus, framing, exposure, color and saturation as it is a very accurate representation of the actual recoded image, so i really prefer to shoot right off of that and know exactly what im getting without wondering if the extra monitor is calibrated right. the only thing i really rely on the extra oncam monitor for is framing when i need something remote, or akwardly positioned onboard to get the job done. anyway.. as long as the image isnt degraded from the rectifier, it'll be on the list of things to get asap for sure.
 
P&S..... its a true professional piece of Kit. ITs build is great, its hardmounted, it has a very useable focal palne marker so your AC can pull with a measring tape, plus it runs for DAYS on the panasonic batteries, it has a metal cuff that wraps around the HVX lens barrel that keeps fingers cables and wires from messing up your settings.... the features are too numerous to list. it just makes your life easier. and if you have the money to rent, you can afford a real grip kit that you can use to light for its loss in light. Plus yo ucan use real Cinema lenses, and they make you life easier. the last thing you need onset is the complication of a make shft FF with "clamp on" gears.
 
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