RED ONE vs Sony F900 series

cecil995

cecil995

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I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, and I did a search and came up with no results.

I was just wondering with all this crazy buzz about red one is how well it competes against the Sony Cinealta cams, which have been the more famous 24p cams that hollywood and television have been using. I have yet to see any real footage from the red, but from what I read on other threads is that it is really impressing people.
 
Red.com has footage available, you can download a torrent file. And of course image quality and look are subjective...but RED is technically superior and much cheaper than a cinealta. I believe Red has their specs listed now on the website or somewhere on reduser.net and you can compare that against the specs on a cinealta.
 
We are in preproduction for a feature at the moment. While we were at NAB, my DP looked at the Arri D-20, the RED, the HPX 500 and the Cinealta. The cinealta came in dead last for him. His first choice was the RED, with the ARRI coming in a close second. But that is only available for rent, not to purchase. Both the HPX and the Cinealta were a jump down from there, but they are both great cameras. I think he was looking at the Panny over the sony because of the P2 cards and The great colors you get out of panasonics. IMHO, at that level it's tough to go wrong.
 
If the Red is shooting 14K resolution while the Cinealta is at 1080 only(is that right?) then I have to wonder how you could justify spending 100 grand on the sony when Red is at a base of 17,000. I know that the red is sold as the body only, but isn't the Cinealta sold without lenses as well?
 
The RED is 4K, not 14K. But your point is still valid.

The guy who recommended the Sony to us is a veteran grip/lighting guy, and calls the Mysterium chip "No mystery, just a bunck of bullsh*t". I think there is a bloc of people in the industry like him who are very sceptical. They are going to stick with a proven commodity.
 
oops, typo. But yeah I see your point, cinealta has proven itself many times over, and the red is the new kid on the block. I would think that after of couple of years of actual field work some people would be willing to change. Like another thread on this about Peter Jackson shooting with it will give it more credibility as well.
 
Give it time and it'll take over. I remember when the DVX came out, people were saying that it was a gimmic and that they were just going to stick with their PD150s. Those people shut up... fast. I believe the same thing will happen with RED.
 
Yeah, he's a great guy with a lot of knowledge. But he's definitely old school. He keeps telling us to shoot in Super16. And if not that, to go for the ARRI D-20. He has no real concept of the indie world after decades of working on multi-million dollar budgets.
 
cecil995 said:
I have to wonder how you could justify spending 100 grand on the sony when Red is at a base of 17,000.
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It depends on what you plan on doing with the camera.

For broadcast the F900 fits into the pipeline rather well, it's easy to justify. Broadcasters don't need or want 4K resolution, not now at least. The cost of converting to 1080 has caused more than enough strain on tight budgets. I don't think they'll be eager to bump up the resolution any time soon.

For the indie market Red has secured it's place as a viable alternative. Although $17,000 is hardly an acurate price. By the time you add in all the glass and accessories to properly outfit your rig the numbers quickly surpass $50,000. I'll admit I'm interested to see how the camera and the workflow plays out once it's in the hands of the film makers.
 
I'm sorry to ask a silly question... But wouldn't an Andromeda upgrade plus a high end 35mm adaptor do justice for the DVX competing against these big cameras?
 
FutureDVXUser said:
I'm sorry to ask a silly question... But wouldn't an Andromeda upgrade plus a high end 35mm adaptor do justice for the DVX competing against these big cameras?
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No. The Andromeda beefs up the DVX, but it still is not true HD. It puts it closer to the HVX, but nowhere near the RED or the Cinealta.
 
Jim Brennan said:
No. The Andromeda beefs up the DVX, but it still is not true HD. It puts it closer to the HVX, but nowhere near the RED or the Cinealta.
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I would say the Andromeda mod puts it above HVX200 in many ways but still not close to RED. If you are shooting for 720p final version or tight budget for a VFX shoot Andromeda can handle the job. RED is overkill in many ways but compared to F900 or varicam I woud go with overkill versus overpriced anyday.
 
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