Heat put me off filmmaking

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shadow_dog_dx

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hey sorry this is random but i just finished watching the movie heat with al pacino, deniro etc. i thought it was pretty good.
afterwards i heard that some people actually tried a robbery based on the one in heat and that it is used as a training video for burglars etc.
this just got me to thinking that all movies like this (which i really enjoy, eg scarface) are just made by the producers simply to make money and not care about the effects it has. I saw on imdb people saying that it is a perfect film etc but i don't understand why exactly that is. It sort of makes you feel that everyone is violent and that you have to carry a gun around with you becuause basically everone in the movie did! What was the incentive for the producers to make this? im asking seriously cuz i want to know. hopefully someone can help me with this cuz its put me off filmmaking heaps now for some reason and i dont know why? why did deniro and stuff have to take this route couldnt they just get a job or something?
 
I really don't think movies cause violence. If they did, what about the guy who was obsessed with Bjork? She doesn't promote violence. And I don't think one could say she inspired his behavior.

WARNING -- if you click this link, the images you see will burn themselves onto your brain:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b1o9pgD6Qxk
 
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WE live in a society where personal responsibility is not promoted not encouraged. " Music, movies, books, art, someone else made me do it."
The individual is responsible for his or her own behavior. If media were responsible for behavior, why is it only violent images are copied. What about all the love stories or "feel good" films? Why aren't more underdog teams winning championships? Why aren't more bad politicians turning their lives around? Why aren't more ogres finding princesses?
Life imitates art.
 
im about to do something in my movie that could make it really daring it something i never seen but something someone could do! not that im saying people should go out and kill peopel in this method... its just a story im telling to breath live and drama into it. I dont think people should do becuase i did it in a movie but if it happens maybe someone got the idea on thier own from my movie... what am i suppose to do?its not my fault, besides crime doesnt pay if heat tells us anything or any movie with crime in it.
 
I think this issue is a double edged sword. While I don't think violent films make normal people act violently, saying films and television have no effect on society would be pretty myopic. One of the reasons people tell stories, or do any kind of art, is because you want to have an effect on other people. No one makes a film hoping it doesn't move people. You want to arouse people in some way. Unfortunately, some lunatics out there will be aroused to pick up a gun, even if that wasn't your intention...Charles Manson was motivated to kill because of the Beatles Helter Skelter, and the Beatles were all about peace and love. This is just one of the risks of being an artist.
 
bond makes want to be a spy, top gun makes me want to fly jets, lord of the ring makes me wish i was a knight and yojimbo makes wish i was samurai rocky makes me want to be a boxer, terminator makes me wish i had a cyberdyne system T-800 model 101....
 
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When we really start to hold people responsible for their actions, then maybe people will start acting responsibly. I've watched as people become less responsible for their actions and society encourage it.
As filmmakers we do influence people, but to say our creations make people do things is only perpetuating the belief we are not responsible for our actions. So a new question arises, should filmmakers only make happy films? or bland non-emotive works? (wasn't there a film about a society in which nothing was done to excite people?)
The first amendment gives us freedom of speech. Too bad there isn't an amendment calling for personal responsibility.
Sorry for the ramble...
I think ultimately it is a matter of respect. Show respect for your subject, your audience, yourself. With this in mind it should be a pretty good guide for an up and coming filmmaker.
 
Charles Manson was motivated to kill because of the Beatles Helter Skelter...
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Just to clarify, Manson was motivated to kill by the fact he was INSANE! :Drogar-Evil(DBG):
 
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Paul Coleman said:
I really don't think movies cause violence. If they did, what about the guy who was obsessed with Bjork? She doesn't promote violence. And I don't think one could say she inspired his behavior.

Very Disturbing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b1o9pgD6Qxk
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Aw man, what a way to start the Sunday morning. lol. I can't get that bloody image out of my head now. sheesh!
 
Wild Imagination Films said:
As filmmakers we do influence people, but to say our creations make people do things is only perpetuating the belief we are not responsible for our actions.
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Sure, we don't make people crazy; we just sometimes provide them with a form for their madness.

Wild Imagination Films said:
So a new question arises, should filmmakers only make happy films? or bland non-emotive works? (wasn't there a film about a society in which nothing was done to excite people?)
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Sounds like THX-1138. Still probably Lucas' most original work. Maybe the one that gives the most insight into Lucas as an artist, too. Maybe.

Wild Imagination Films said:
The first amendment gives us freedom of speech. Too bad there isn't an amendment calling for personal responsibility.
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Well, there is the old legal principle, that freedom of expression is not absolute (no yelling 'fire' in a non-burning theater, no protection for slander, libel, or (lately) hateful speech). Kind of feeds into what's considered 'pornographic.'

Wild Imagination Films said:
I think ultimately it is a matter of respect. Show respect for your subject, your audience, yourself. With this in mind it should be a pretty good guide for an up and coming filmmaker.
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It would be nice if that respect for the audience were more common among established-and-arrived filmmakers, too. The degree of contempt for the audience can be startling, sometimes.
 
I played a lot of Super Mario as a kid. To this day, I have an irrational fear of giant apes. I often jump on mushrooms, and have been known to plunge into random sewer pipes in search of gold coins.
 
shadow_dog_dx said:
hey sorry this is random but i just finished watching the movie heat with al pacino, deniro etc. i thought it was pretty good.
afterwards i heard that some people actually tried a robbery based on the one in heat and that it is used as a training video for burglars etc.
this just got me to thinking that all movies like this (which i really enjoy, eg scarface) are just made by the producers simply to make money and not care about the effects it has. I saw on imdb people saying that it is a perfect film etc but i don't understand why exactly that is. It sort of makes you feel that everyone is violent and that you have to carry a gun around with you becuause basically everone in the movie did! What was the incentive for the producers to make this? im asking seriously cuz i want to know. hopefully someone can help me with this cuz its put me off filmmaking heaps now for some reason and i dont know why? why did deniro and stuff have to take this route couldnt they just get a job or something?
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By your logic, what we should really ban is the Ned Betty scene in deliverence. (banjo begins to play)
 
-zach- said:
Thanks, I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life.
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who wins?
 
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