Crazy Idea (Open minded people only)

Yes, I would still stay in the project working on somebody elses story...

Yes I would vote for somebody elses script because voting for your own is a cheap vote... So basically, you read 19 pitches, and go with the one you think is the best other than your own...

The point was to get the best possible story to work on and have a start off budget of $50,000 and everybody gets a fair share... It's kinda like goin to catholic school... No matter what race you are or grade your in, you gotta wear the uniform...

So here, no matter what part of the production side you are... Your still an executive producer and get the same return as the diretor... At the same time, you get credited as other things you did for the movie... Lights, audio, camera, editor, animator, casting, etc...
 
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FutureDVXUser said:
So here, no matter what part of the production side you are... Your still an executive producer and get the same return as the diretor... At the same time, you get credited as other things you did for the movie... Lights, audio, camera, editor, animator, casting, etc...
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Executive producer credit means absolutely nothing. They give out those credits like candy in Hollywood; so much that the Oscars had to specify job duties of the producer in order to win an Oscar (for example, Brad Pitt will not be getting an Oscar if "The Departed" wins despite being an executive producer). You will not get future work from an executive producer credit.

The same is true for the other positions. Unless you are working to build a resume in a chosen field of expertise (ie wardrode, audio, gaffing) having some on-set experience in said positions is more or less meaningless to future work. In other words, unless someone wants a career as a makeup artist, having that as a credit in a film has no meaning to anything else in the business.

And that brings us back to, if you want a career as, say a makeup artist, why would you pay $2500 to work on a film when you can work as a makeup artist on a different one for free. And considering how many indy films are looking for free work, you can shop around; reading scripts of indy films being produced until you find one you like as much as the one you propose a person might vote for under your plan.

Your plan:
1. Pay $2500
2. work ass off as a makeup artist
3. probably not see one penny in return but maybe get 5% of film sale
4. have one production job credit as makeup artist and executive producer

Standard freebie route:
1. keep $2500 in bank to pay rent while working for free for a month
2. work ass off as a makeup artist
3. probably not see one penny in return but maybe get a couple of percent of profits from sale
4.have one production job credit as a makeup artist

If there is some positive benefit I am missing under your plan that a person can't get working on someone's movie, fill me in.

Forming a collective of people with their different talents to make their own production company is a fine idea and done many times before. As part owners they will all see profits from anything the LLC sells. Raising the money to make the film is the producer's job. Find someone who knows how to sweet talk people out of their money and put them to work. Meanwhile the other people do what they do best and hopefully you end up with a good movie.

Cheers
 
FutureDVXUser said:
So here, no matter what part of the production side you are... Your still an executive producer and get the same return as the diretor...
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If you ever get this thing off the ground you should call it "Karl Marx Film Corps."
 
FutureDVXUser said:
Yes I would vote for somebody elses script because voting for your own is a cheap vote... So basically, you read 19 pitches, and go with the one you think is the best other than your own...
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If you don't think your idea deserves to be filmed in the first place then why even bother pitching it? If all 20 people thinks that voting for their own script is "cheap" then you're not going to end up with the best script. You're going to end up with the average of what everyone else thinks, "an average drawn upon zeros" as Ayn Rand would say.

I recommend you read The Fountainhead by the same author. Very entertaining book that deals with the exact same thing you're proposing; that should give you a good idea of what the pitfalls are when you collaborate in this manner.
 
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ok guys,
I'm at work so I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread, but I will later.
Future, it seems like a really tough thing to accomplish. I myself have just started working with my best friend, we both respect eachother and have know eachother for over 20yrs. Yet we seem to miscommunicate left and right. and Me and my big ego is always disagreeing with him. I can't even imagine 20 people. WOW.
But I'm sure it can be done. I watched a 20/20 or one of those shows 9 or 10 yrs ago about a company called "IDEO". I think it was called "the deep dive". And it went through the process by which the company continues to make inovative design for other companies (like nike, porsche, colgate, etc....)
So what they do is, they hire like 10-15 people from different backgrounds. Put them in a room, give them a challenge. Each person puts their ideas on a wall, then they all vote on the ideas. the ideas that get the most votes get picked. they get divided in 2 groups. each with 50% of the ideas selected. then the two groups compete. after the two groups merge with only their best ideas on the final product. The beauty is that you have to put your ego aside. on ly the best ideas continue, and the person who came up with the idea heads the group. So performance means authority. but everyone is really involved in decission making, and everyone is commited with coming up with a good product.
If you can find the program I really recommend it. and if you do, send me a PM, I'd like to get my hands on it.
Good luck.
 
Well, everybody thinks their script is the best, so voting for yourself wouldn't be right... The point is to look at other scripts instead of your own.

Siniarch's post pretty much sums the whole beginning stage of it up... The best ideas are the ones you work on...
 
FutureDVXUser said:
The point was to get the best possible story to work on and have a start off budget of $50,000 and everybody gets a fair share...
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Why are you still here trying to justify your position? Just go and do it already.:beer:

BTW. Come back in a few months and let us know how it turns out.:)
 
hahahha. Ozduc. he has to justify it to the other 19 people that have to join him. But Future, just be prepared that you might not have the role in the film that you wanted. (ie. if you wanted to do the script, but someone else has a better idea, you are out. If you wanted to direct, but someone else's vision is better, you are out.) At the end, you might have put everyone together, put your 2500 and end up with grip, boom op., and exec. producer credits and that's all.
 
There's nothing wrong with tossing ideas around. We all want to get rich doing what we love. Keep working at it before you get old and cynical. One thing though, have someone proofread your proposals, your grammar and spelling is a little off.

"split the prophets" was my favorite. They get all the abuse. :)

You've got the right idea... get people together to do something. Sounds like a simple concept, and yet it's so difficult. Basically you need a critical mass of some kind to get things moving without big money behind you. That can be an awesome script and just a few really dedicated people with the same vision. Good luck and don't let the bastards grind you down.
 
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I know... It doesn't matter, I'm gonna stop posting on this thread... Hopefully it will be forgotten... haha
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Come on now, I was just messing with ya! Actually I do love your persistence. No matter what people say, you still believe in the idea. And you know what, that's counts for a lot in this world!
 
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