Can't hold it back anymore - Spielberg does NOT rule..!

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Draccan

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Reading through various threads lately, like the thread on Tarantino and the one on Night M. Shyamalan, I see Spielberg mentioned as if he is the bar to measure films with. And those two threads are not the only ones. Everytime there is a list or comparison tons of people put him right up there with the best of the best, or simply just THE best.

Now explain yourselves. What has he ever brought to filmmaking?

He is nothing but a hack, an average filmmaker, entertaining the masses with the lowest form of denominator. He is pure commerce, no essence or soul. What does he represent? His body of work is not the least cohesive. Except sucking up to minority groups at certain point, what is he but political correct, mainstream?

Look at his films:

Indiana Jones series -- okay original adventure, though somewhat flat and stale by now, and nothing but entertain in its purest form, devoid of meaning.

Munich -- political correct mumbo jumbo...

War of the Worlds -- awful awful film, like fast food, you feel hungry the minute you finish, poorly done remake, no suspense, just special effects that look computerlike...

The Terminal -- didn't watch it as the trailer WAS the film

Catch me if you can -- okay fun. Fun! That's all.

Minority Report -- sci fi nonsense... plastique, unreal, no depth in characters, the Cruise freak at his worst...

AI -- would have been great 20 years ago. No new light is shed on the subject. It brings nothing to the world. Blah!

Saving Private Ryan -- should have been called Saving Private Violin, only grace is that it brought realism to the (actual) war scenes, landing in Normandy top notch, but how he got from gritty realism to Tom Hanks goofy face and all the violins is beyond me... That IS a feat, though a negative one..

Amistad -- pseudo historic film, that feels as historic as Scorsese's The Gangs of New York...

Jurassic Park -- children's film, nothing wrong in that, but it is pure disneyland...

Schindler's List -- one of the biggest and most shameless acts of exploitation in the history of film making. It is so fake it makes Pamela Anderson's b*****s seem real. There are many better and more decent films about the holocaust out there. He just got the fame due to his name.

Hook -- need I mention it??

This leads me back to 1975 - 1987 where he made some decent flicks:

Empire of the Sun (1987) -- honorable mention, not bad

The Color Purple -- playing too much on the emotional side of things, but hey, okay original (due to the book I am sure)...

E.T. -- Original childrens movie ... I will give him that one

Close Encounters of the Third Kind -- okay sci fi

Jaws -- classic horror. Top notch.

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This leads me to conclude... Spielberg original? Hardly. I mean he is no Leonardo da Vinci like some suggested. He is not on the top 10 or even 20 or even top 100 of the best film directors.

Bergman, Woody Allen, Wong Kar-Wai, Wim Wenders, Peter Greenaway, Dreyer, Eisenstein, Kubrick, Tarantino, Akira Kurosawa, Jim Jarmusch, Romero, Takeshi Kitano, Hitchcock, Linklater, Haneke, Soderbergh (sometimes) and others are true originals....

Spielberg is just a mainstream hack ..... He is revered simply because he is there, this big mastodont blocking the view of the sun, like the Eiffel Tower, people know his name... He exist.... but it takes more than size to be good. He is no artist. He never explored the film medium. He is THE most overrated man in the film business...
'Nuff said..


Pyhhh ... phew....

Got that off my chest...! :Drogar-Shock(DBG):

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i don't have any great love for the man, but i wouldn't call him a mainstream hack or even average. he almost single-handedly defined what we think of as "the mainstream".
 
its a cold day in hell when woody allen is a better filmmaker than steven spielberg.. soderberg better than spielberg... ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDIN' ME????!?!?!?!:huh: :zombie_smiley: :kali: :kali: :shocked: :eek: :eek:
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I think calling Spielberg a "hack" is little absurd. Not a little, completely absurd.

Brett Ratner, Michael Bay, Uwe Boll, Paul WS. Anderson. Hacks.

Speilberg? Hack? Please, show him some respect.

I'm not even gonna waste my time defending his resume. It speaks for itself.



Wait until Callaghan gets a hold of this thread.
 
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spielburg is an icon. hes what you grow up with then reject but later eventually you'll honor him for what he did, done, and is doing. yeah he has some films that are oh brother but he has gems. not every movie any director make is pure gold. He's done alot for film and will continue to do so. he ****ing spielburg man. grow up.

ps what have you done that captivated an audience? playing in "Stone Soup" in kindegatren and remebering your lines?
 
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Spielberg is a master filmmaker and a master technician. The guy could literally direct in his sleep.

I could deal with you saying you don't like his films. Whatever, to each his own. But calling the man a "hack" is just ludicrous.
 
my only beef with him is that he hasn't written too many things... we don't really know what he stands for.

that guy's strongest strenght, IMO, is editing. like Kurosawa, his movies are textbook editing courses.
 
I am speechless. Never have I seen anyone post so much bullshit in so little space. While you have some intersting actors in your list you have also included names like Jarmusch, Romero, Linklater, Soderbergh, Woody 'Neurotic' Allen...give me a ****ing break.

EDIT: On second thought...Peyote Films...you might want to lay off that stuff it seems to be affecting your vision.
 
Draccan said:
Schindler's List -- one of the biggest and most shameless acts of exploitation in the history of film making. It is so fake it makes Pamela Anderson's b*****s seem real. There are many better and more decent films about the holocaust out there. He just got the fame due to his name.

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Ralph Fiennes performance in this film is one of the greatest supporting roles in the history of film. I my top 10.

As for Spielberg, You can make the point that he can be held on too high a pedastal at times, but he is no hack. Jaws, Saving Private Ryans, Indiana Jones, E.T are all classic films and top noch.
 
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ps what have you done that captivated an audience? playing in "Stone Soup" in kindegatren and remebering your lines?
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Bad Spidey. Now, how would you respond to that question if someone asked it to you in the M. Night threads?

That card is banned from the playing field.
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And with that said, after re-reading Draccan's post... Just goes to show you that everyone sees something different.

War of the Worlds? No suspense? I think I watched a different movie.
 
lol hey its true. spielburg for over 30 years has had an audience. and spielburg has try to be different but the same his whole life at least he isnt chasing his tail. and lets not forget the movies he's invested in too as well. need we forget...

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I'm with ya' Kholi.... War of the Worlds never lets up... You barely have a chance to catch your breath.

I think that's called..... Suspense?
 
My point was playing the "what have you done" card. Otherwise, I'm pretty much baffled by Draccan's insinuation that Spielberg is a "hack".

I think that his choice of words might have thrown his cause off. I think he means to say that Spielberg may have lost a bit of his original flare over the years, in his opinion. And that he's no longer seeing the magic in the Spielberg name.

If he's saying that, then it's all good; to each his own.

I don't think you're saying, Draccan, that Spielberg is matter-of-factly a bad director. I think you just kind of felt the need to rant but didn't put the words down the right way.

Or am I wrong?
 
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