One thing that you wish you would've gone to film school for?
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J.R. Hudson
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You're missing my point (that's twice today)
Let us take a film like Napolean Dynamite
This is a film that has everybit of professional looking shot film; from the the cinematography, to the score, the audio, the talent ...
All things are equal on it
This film, you may love, as most people seem to. Or, you may despise it and just find it completley stupid and not your bag.
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Whether or not you like it or do not like it is unimportant. It is still going to surface. This film is not going to go under the radar.
It is a good film, not in terms of story or genre or whether or not you like it; it is a good film in terms of
They knew what the hell they were doing when they made it.
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Uwe Bolle is not making good films.
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I am the gospel.
Let us take a film like Napolean Dynamite
This is a film that has everybit of professional looking shot film; from the the cinematography, to the score, the audio, the talent ...
All things are equal on it
This film, you may love, as most people seem to. Or, you may despise it and just find it completley stupid and not your bag.
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Whether or not you like it or do not like it is unimportant. It is still going to surface. This film is not going to go under the radar.
It is a good film, not in terms of story or genre or whether or not you like it; it is a good film in terms of
They knew what the hell they were doing when they made it.
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Uwe Bolle is not making good films.
=
I am the gospel.
oneinfiniteloop
Veteran
Cynic821 said:
Why is this? Creating something is creating something regardless of whether or not you're getting paid for it. Just because one gets paid doesn't mean that's instant motivation for creating your envisioned masterpiece, on the contrary it usually hampers the project since your mind starts running off with all these ideas just because you have money and the end product suffers as such...limitations foster creativity.
John_Hudson said:
When you put it like that, it's an entirely different subject. It sounds more like you're saying that Success isn't subjective, not good or bad work.
Was Napolean Dynamite a [financial] success? Yes, there's no doubt about it. Was it a good or bad movie? That's your choice to decide.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
LOL... I think ND (Napoleon Dynamite) was somewhat stylized in the sense that they went for a muted color pallete and just basic lighting, but yeah, nothing disqualified it, that's the key.
Robert86
Carbonite Member
Ok, now you are talking about technicalities here, the pure filmmaking process of it. Which would have nothing to do with subjectiveness, which is a contradiction to your original statement of good filmmaking not being subjective. Next time you might want to give us a bit of a hint: Storytelling or Technicalities
Robert86 said:Ok, now you are talking about technicalities here, the pure filmmaking process of it. Which would have nothing to do with subjectiveness, which is a contradiction to your original statement of good filmmaking not being subjective. Next time you might want to give us a bit of a hint: Storytelling or Technicalities
Technical Success was probably a better pairing than Financial Success.
Cynic821
Carbonite Member
theres alot of other factors when money is involved. things like rent, bills, food, and other neccessities, come to play other than making a movie, and i think you too have strayed off topic infinite. i thought we were talking about movie making (filmmaking for those who use film)
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
It's what I was saying all along.
You make a good film; and it won' go unnoticed. Whether or not we like it as story or not is another discussion
You make a good film; and it won' go unnoticed. Whether or not we like it as story or not is another discussion
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Cynic821 said:
Or... make the film so that your TARGET audience likes it. If I make a film targeted for children from the ages of 6-11... I don't expect for 18 year old's to enjoy it or say it's a good film... but it's still good, if 6-11 year old's like it.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Cynic821 said:
In their right mind; good is good. :beer:
John_Hudson said:
I absolutely agree with this.
Whether someone does or does not "like" a film can be quite different than whether or not that same film is good or bad. Frequently they are one in the same but not always. Most times when people claim something is "good" what they actually mean is "I enjoyed it". I sometimes enjoy a BK Whopper - I know that it's not good for me and I certainly understand that it's not fine dining but I do enjoy them once in a while.
Ultimately, time will tell and the good films (like most art forms) will surface.
dmc
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
Kholi, you need to decide if you only want to be a film critic or get in the game. In the game, you're going to make something that some will like and others will hate. But you'll make something instead of just talking about it. No one's getting any younger and each day that goes by is an opportunity missed. Take one of your stories that you like, forget that it isn't perfect in your mind because chances are, you'll never see it as perfect. If you're having technical problems on it, bring in another writer to "doctor" it up for you. Now it's time to get into preproduction. Break the script down so you know what you'll need. Put out a call for help. You'd be surprised how many people around here are willing to help you with your shoot.
Some people talk about it, some people do it. Don't be a talker. Sure, you'll get criticism if you put yourself out there. But I'm willing to bet you'll receive praise, too. Criticism can be tough to take. And if you can't, don't put yourself out there and remain a film critic instead of a film maker.
Some people talk about it, some people do it. Don't be a talker. Sure, you'll get criticism if you put yourself out there. But I'm willing to bet you'll receive praise, too. Criticism can be tough to take. And if you can't, don't put yourself out there and remain a film critic instead of a film maker.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Score a big one for the Briceman.Brandon Rice said:
Barry_Green
Moderator
The world is full of horrible films (I know, I've made a couple of them). I applaud Kholi for wanting to take the time and GET IT RIGHT before leaping out there. As long as the delay is due to wanting to fix any inherent problems, rather than just being "chicken", then I think he's got exactly the right attitude.
oneinfiniteloop
Veteran
Cynic821 said:
I thought the topic was about doing good work, motivation, getting out there, blah blah blah...so in that respect I think I'm on topic. I know about other factors when money is involved, but this is the real world, I'm not interested in talking about what could be when the wind blows right and the sun sets perfect and all that jazz, in the real world making art costs money and film is art and being paid to make art is one of the few viable solutions to creating art. Doing something on a shoestring budget with no chances of distribution and hoping it will blow up on youtube as the next great artschool film project or whatever is a pipe dream.
Either way, my point was that you have to deal with the ups and downs equally, you'll end up being forced to release and do things you don't want to do...especially in Hollywoodland, so you just need to deal and make it happen.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
But yet... I say, still do something Kholi... you've seen the crap I made when I was younger... (still am young) but it was all learning... all getting to where I am not, where my stuff is a little better than crap... lol. I say shoot shoot shoot man... that's my philosophy.