CinePorter™ FAQ

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I'm sorry, I thought you mentioned that it can no longer be used in that way. You are saying now that it will likely still be possible to use the pcmcia slot of my lappy for dumping, editing, writing back to the cp, etc.

Just maybe not with the initial release though, right?

Thanks,

Jason
 
Ramjet1979 said:
I'm sorry, I thought you mentioned that it can no longer be used in that way. You are saying now that it will likely still be possible to use the pcmcia slot of my lappy for dumping, editing, writing back to the cp, etc.

Just maybe not with the initial release though, right?

Thanks,

Jason
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That's right. Originally we thought it may not be necessary with all the other options, but it's just a software effort. Can you show me the post where i said that, so I can delete it?

David
 
My apologies david. I believe I added a "not" where there wasn't one, with my eyes.

You stated "figured out what the bad news is." I just carried that over into the next line I guess.

Anyways, I don't think there is anything for you to delete, except me :)

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=817712&postcount=571

I think that was the post that I mis-read.

Just to clarify, you will be able to plug the cineporter into a laptops pcmcia slot and use it just as you would a p2 card. All of the things that I stated prior. If not with the initial release, with a firmware upgrade after release. Is that correct?

Thank you,
Jason
 
Ramjet1979 said:
My apologies david. I believe I added a "not" where there wasn't one, with my eyes.

You stated "figured out what the bad news is." I just carried that over into the next line I guess.

Anyways, I don't think there is anything for you to delete, except me :)

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=817712&postcount=571

I think that was the post that I mis-read.

Just to clarify, you will be able to plug the cineporter into a laptops pcmcia slot and use it just as you would a p2 card. All of the things that I stated prior. If not with the initial release, with a firmware upgrade after release. Is that correct?

Thank you,
Jason
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That's the plan Jason. You will need both for the camera, but just one for the laptop.

David
 
Some posts above, you mentionned considering SSD for CP-3 (of course!).

With the perspective of pluging an SSD into CP, the fastest way to offload, and by far, is to unplug the SSD and to plug it into the workstation/laptop directly.

SSD can be 100 times faster than a spinning HDD.

Everything except SATA II and upcoming SATA 6 Gb/s are bottlenecks.

When P2 users complains about offloading 8 Gig P2 thru PC Cardbus, what would be offloading much more through slowest FW/USB?

As SSD models already exists with standard IDE/SATA/etc... behaving exactly the same, provided that CP-3 has removable bay, this offloading method does not requires a lot to be possible, if I understand well:


If you choose the CP-3 P2 connectivity, you need to interrupt HVX/CP-3 operation, and if you offload much more than 8Gig, this could take some times, waiting completion to restart HVX/CP-3 operation.

If you choose the SSD plug/unplug scheme, your HVX/CP-3 is operational after plugin a blank SSD. This is the closest workflow to current P2 workflow.


ABOUT THE DOUBLE P2 CONNECTOR

If you plug the first CardBus connector into a laptop, this mean that the second Cardbus connector is below the laptop?
If you want to use a CardBus adapter into a workstation, how can you mechanically insert one of the CP-3 CardBus without removing the second CardBus?
 
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I don't have any problems offloading my 8 gig cards. It takes about 4 minutes. A hell of a lot quicker than the 41 minutes of capture I would have to do with tape. :)

Jason
 
What about 80 Gig captured to CP-3 to be offloaded the P2 way?

When you offload one of your 8 Gig P2, your other P2 allows you to go on shooting, unpluging/pluging CP-3 for offloading means stop shooting. (of course, extra P2 card)

Ah! You plan 2 CP-3 ! :happy:
 
The dual cp is no longer going to be an option due to the dual card interface, as I understand it. Though I could be mistaken (I have been once already on this thread today :) )

But when you have 160-320 gig's of capacity, that is an ungodly amount of record time. I don't anticipate having to "stop" recording to offload. I figure, I can just go home at the end of the day and dump my footage, or (hopefuly) just edit straight off of the cp as I would a p2 card.

Or if I am really doing 12 hours of shooting in a day, then I could offload once during a dinner break or something :thumbsup:

Later,
Jason

p.s. if you were seeing that I plan on purchasing to cp's, that is because I have to hvx's :)
 
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Barry,

You are correct. We don't have an Ethernet or eSATA connection right now, but we thought about it. The real beauty of the CP-3 is the ability to upgrade the side panel. I'll expound on that later.

David
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If you manage to put gigabit ethernet on the Cineporter, and have it connect as Network Attached Storage, you will likely have created the best all-purpose product ever...

I can think of several ways a gigabit ethernet connection would be great:

1) You could keep the CinePorter always connected to your laptop, and offload previous clips while recording a new one (provided the drives are fast enough, anyway). Even if you couldn't multi-task in such a way, it would be much faster not to have to keep removing and reconnecting as you would have to with USB or Firewire. Plus, you could have your offloading station 300ft away if you want...

2) You could attach a wireless ethernet bridge, and offload wirelessly to your laptop across the room

3) By connecting it to a webserver, you could give clients instant access to the footage over the internet (albeit a slow process...)

4) By using Network Attached Storage (NAS), you would allow the CinePorter to be used by other devices (such as some IP Networkable Security Cameras) for storage, further increasing it's possible uses

Another really neat feature (though somewhat wishful thinking, I'm guessing) would be to allow the user to plug the HVX into the CinePorter's USB port and have it share the P2 Card slots from the HVX over the network. That would essentially create a networkable P2 Card Reader, which I do not believe exists yet even from Panasonic.

Now that I'm thinking of it: if it is possible to connect the HVX to the CinePorter using USB or Firewire, why not allow it to copy the conents of the P2 Cards to the CinePorter's drives? That would create a psudo-P2 Store, which would be quite useful for those situations where P2 would be more convinient than the CinePorter -- but would eliminate the need for a seperate P2 Store or laptop to offload to.
 
If you wish GigaEthernet throughput dare to compare to serial protocols, you must avoid collision detection mode, that is sticking to point to point link.
Networking it (3 nodes and more) will trigger packet resend on collision detection, dropping the overall throughput.

Wirelessing it further bottlenecks it.
Perhaps you wish plenty of features regardless of one of the fundamental product goal: fast host offloading.
 
I think there are some good ideas here, but let's save those for the CP-4, shall we? I think David and his crew have their plates full already, and adding more stuff to the feature wishlist will add more development time and cost, something that there have already been complaints about.

The CP-3 as it has been spec'd so far already exceeds the expectations I had when I first heard of the Cineporter project, and would be a godsend for long recordings. If David can deliver that, I'll be a very happy camper. If he follows it up with a CP-4 featuring hot-swappable caddied SSDs, Gigabit NAS functionality, and 802.11n connectivity, that will be swell, too.
 
THoff said:
I think there are some good ideas here, but let's save those for the CP-4, shall we? I think David and his crew have their plates full already, and adding more stuff to the feature wishlist will add more development time and cost, something that there have already been complaints about.

The CP-3 as it has been spec'd so far already exceeds the expectations I had when I first heard of the Cineporter project, and would be a godsend for long recordings. If David can deliver that, I'll be a very happy camper. If he follows it up with a CP-4 featuring hot-swappable caddied SSDs, Gigabit NAS functionality, and 802.11n connectivity, that will be swell, too.
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Agreed! I would be completely suprised if anything I suggest makes it to the final product. And to be honest, I think I'd rather see it stay the way it is with a Summer 2007 release date than with a list of extra features and a Summer 2009 date...

But then again, without such speculation, this thread will dwindle, and we can't have that... :)
 
The original CinePorter targeted functionality updated by today's new technologies
(SSD, eSATA) bringing more speed, data reliability and plug-ability.
 
I hear mention of a CP-3, but have there been CP-2s and CP-1s, I can't seem to find any info about existing Cine Porters. I haven't done any extensive searching, but even on the spec-comm website if you hit "all products" there is no mention of an existing cine porter.

Cheers,
Damien
 
Damien, The have been differnt versions of the cineporter, And with each one they have only gotten better. With most companies, they would have released the product and then allowed people to become guinea-pigs then next season pop out a better version with added features. SpeccComm has went above and beyond that, and aske what we needed and wanted, and they delivered more to each version of the CinePorter. I know it seems like a lot of pages, however I would recommend reading this thread from the beginning to have and hold a better understanding of this product and how far ir has come, and what features and why it obtains.
 
Damien,

I can understand your confusion about this. You are correct--to date, there has been no version of the Cineporter that has been offered for sale. Spec-Comm has shown three different proposed designs for the Cineporter, each refining the earlier ones, but none of which have yet gone into production, as far as I know. It looks like it should be a good product when it is released.

Kevin
 
I don't really agree that Spec-Comm "avoided" us buying possibly rapid obsolete CP-1 and CP-2. They became almost (kinda) virtual products by design.

Building a customer base, giving feedback on a real product, even if not perfect, is normally, a primary concern to grab the buyer attention and to reach ROI quickly, (as shown by the industries).

CP-3 finalization and industrialization are difficult tasks for sure, and all will welcome the long awaited release of CP-3.
BUT, with time, new technologies and competition can erode the leading advantage.

So, as of today, Damien, you have "cheap" 8GB P2, DV Rack HD & FS-100, and that's it!

Words of admiration and objectivity about the CinePorter story !
 
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