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What the fùck does that mean?!
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What the fùck does that mean?!
I second the Nashville vote. Jaws is certainly an important film in terms of its (negative) impact on the industry and the general silly-movie-watching public. Mirror is amazing. I don't have a list of all the films of 1975 handy to pick and choose from or I'd mention more. I've heard great things about Grey Gardens. It's next on my Netflix queue.
J.R. Hudson
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CallaghanFilms
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John, I guess we are so damned silly (or should I say thilly?)
J.R. Hudson
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I'ts comment's like that one that tend too keep me away from this place.
At least you'll always have each other. 
But seriously, with the two of you teaming up on everyone who doesn't share your taste, attacking them with your little yellow people and wtf's, it's a wonder anyone else wants to come around. Perhaps I should have chosen my words a little more carefully myself, I'll admit.
Do you really consider the creation of the blockbuster as we know it today to be a good thing? Seems to me, based on numerous director interviews I've read and watched, that it steered the studios away from taking chances on smaller and/or riskier films and towards the "sure thing". Countless directors of great '70s films talk about how they could never get studio funding for those films today. It's a long old story and I'm sure you're familiar with it.
But seriously, with the two of you teaming up on everyone who doesn't share your taste, attacking them with your little yellow people and wtf's, it's a wonder anyone else wants to come around. Perhaps I should have chosen my words a little more carefully myself, I'll admit.Do you really consider the creation of the blockbuster as we know it today to be a good thing? Seems to me, based on numerous director interviews I've read and watched, that it steered the studios away from taking chances on smaller and/or riskier films and towards the "sure thing". Countless directors of great '70s films talk about how they could never get studio funding for those films today. It's a long old story and I'm sure you're familiar with it.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
You're quoting soundbites from a Decade Under the Influence; a great documentary.
I don't see anyone here ganging up on anyone. If you are feeling attacked; I apologize. I'd much rather exchange thoughts and viewpoints on the subject than make anyone feel ostracized
Still, you were quite aware Jaws was more or less on many peoples list as best of the year; and you still felt compelled to defer to it's negative impact and the 'silly moving going public' who liked it.
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The subject of Blockbuster and a film alone are not the same thing. For every Jaws there is that year's Oscar Winner 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'
Why do people frown on a pictures success rate ? Is there anything wrong with a film doing financially better than other's ? Is grossing a ton of ducket's bad automatic ?
The idea of the Blockbuster Mold isn't such a bad thing anymore than the stripped down Dogme95 movement is. Sometimes, being entertained purely for Popcorn's sake is a very gratifying experience:
Die Hard
Star Wars
Titanic
E.T.
The Lord of The Rings
Pirates of the Carribean
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jaws ...
are incredible filmgoing experiences. For each of these, we have the less financially sucessful
Pulp Fiction
Schindler's List
Taxi Driver
Mulholland Drive
Sideways
The Squaid and the Whale
The Pianist
Raging Bull ...
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Reminds me of an interesting note; The Departed is only Martin Scorsese's second ever $100 Million grosser. Does this take away from the artistry of the piece ?
Don't assume so much by looking at a little yellow person laughing out loud; If we were in a bar I'd be doing the same thing after that initial quote. You can't just lob a nade into the conversation and expect not to be noticed.
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Hollywood wouldn't be in a position to do the little films if not for thier bread and butter Blockbuster's.
Shiieetttt; Hollywood wouldn't be Hollywood without the Blockbusters.
I don't see anyone here ganging up on anyone. If you are feeling attacked; I apologize. I'd much rather exchange thoughts and viewpoints on the subject than make anyone feel ostracized
Still, you were quite aware Jaws was more or less on many peoples list as best of the year; and you still felt compelled to defer to it's negative impact and the 'silly moving going public' who liked it.
-
The subject of Blockbuster and a film alone are not the same thing. For every Jaws there is that year's Oscar Winner 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'
Why do people frown on a pictures success rate ? Is there anything wrong with a film doing financially better than other's ? Is grossing a ton of ducket's bad automatic ?
The idea of the Blockbuster Mold isn't such a bad thing anymore than the stripped down Dogme95 movement is. Sometimes, being entertained purely for Popcorn's sake is a very gratifying experience:
Die Hard
Star Wars
Titanic
E.T.
The Lord of The Rings
Pirates of the Carribean
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jaws ...
are incredible filmgoing experiences. For each of these, we have the less financially sucessful
Pulp Fiction
Schindler's List
Taxi Driver
Mulholland Drive
Sideways
The Squaid and the Whale
The Pianist
Raging Bull ...
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Reminds me of an interesting note; The Departed is only Martin Scorsese's second ever $100 Million grosser. Does this take away from the artistry of the piece ?
Don't assume so much by looking at a little yellow person laughing out loud; If we were in a bar I'd be doing the same thing after that initial quote. You can't just lob a nade into the conversation and expect not to be noticed.
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Hollywood wouldn't be in a position to do the little films if not for thier bread and butter Blockbuster's.
Shiieetttt; Hollywood wouldn't be Hollywood without the Blockbusters.
"hollywood would not be hollywood with out the blockbusters"
good point.
I think barry lyndon was realy cool. I also heard that film was the first to light a scene only with candles. That alone I think deserves credits for cinema and directing. Other parts of the movie are great too.
good point.
I think barry lyndon was realy cool. I also heard that film was the first to light a scene only with candles. That alone I think deserves credits for cinema and directing. Other parts of the movie are great too.
"Still, you were quite aware Jaws was more or less on many peoples list as best of the year; and you still felt compelled to defer to it's negative impact and the 'silly moving going public' who liked it. "
Point taken, though the unfortunate term "silly" referenced the movies and not the public.
Hollywood was still Hollywood in the 70s before Jaws, before Top Gun, before the shift toward fewer movies with bigger budgets, and hence the need for bigger returns. If you love the big movies then it makes sense that you might defend the system that produces them. I generally don't care for them so I feel differently about it. Gondry could have gotten a much bigger budget to make Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but he would have had to make a different kind of movie. The movies I love are ones that tend to involve the kinds of choices that big budgets don't allow. As for the ins-and-out of Hollywood finance, I defer to those with more knowledge of it.
I'm all for people singing the praises of movies they love. One problem I have with lists that champion the same movies we all know of already (kind of like Classic Rock radio stations) is that it's one more opportunity lost to hear about something that slipped through the cracks. How many films do we not even hear of? I just saw Junior Bonner, with Steve McQueen. Maybe it's a minor film in a lot of ways (certainly in terms of impact on the public) but it has some greatness to it. Famous director, famous star, but hardly ever mentioned. If you do a search on this site you won't find any discussion of Ken Loach - an amazing director with many films to his name. Just two quick examples off the top of my head. Anyway, there's a lot more to this subject than I can touch on now, and I've exhausted my internet time allotment. Back to some real work.
Best,
Adam
Point taken, though the unfortunate term "silly" referenced the movies and not the public.
Hollywood was still Hollywood in the 70s before Jaws, before Top Gun, before the shift toward fewer movies with bigger budgets, and hence the need for bigger returns. If you love the big movies then it makes sense that you might defend the system that produces them. I generally don't care for them so I feel differently about it. Gondry could have gotten a much bigger budget to make Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but he would have had to make a different kind of movie. The movies I love are ones that tend to involve the kinds of choices that big budgets don't allow. As for the ins-and-out of Hollywood finance, I defer to those with more knowledge of it.
I'm all for people singing the praises of movies they love. One problem I have with lists that champion the same movies we all know of already (kind of like Classic Rock radio stations) is that it's one more opportunity lost to hear about something that slipped through the cracks. How many films do we not even hear of? I just saw Junior Bonner, with Steve McQueen. Maybe it's a minor film in a lot of ways (certainly in terms of impact on the public) but it has some greatness to it. Famous director, famous star, but hardly ever mentioned. If you do a search on this site you won't find any discussion of Ken Loach - an amazing director with many films to his name. Just two quick examples off the top of my head. Anyway, there's a lot more to this subject than I can touch on now, and I've exhausted my internet time allotment. Back to some real work.
Best,
Adam
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
I wouldn't be too eager to make generalizations or assumption's on tastes around here and you may have missed an important note
Hollywood lives and breathes on the blockbuster. It is the blockbuster that more often than not, enables the smaller more intimate films to be made. Not the other way around.
Blame Jaws, the collapse of the studio system or blame the evolution of the business. It is the way it is.
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The smaller films still get made. If a film is good; then it's good. Is it not ?
You seem to be fixated on the financial success of a project. It reminds me of the adage of the garage band. You always have the fan that loved and praised them until the day they became a success; and then they were sell-out's for achieving it.
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There is nothing wrong with championing the films we all know and love; there is a reason these films are known and loved; they're classic's, they're the best of the bunch, they're the award winners, they're on the best ever list's ....
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The eclectic art films and indiependent films that no one knows about are because these films appeal to a smaller niche. It is not to say these films are any less better or worse than the successful big pictures; they just don't appeal to a broad audience.
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Some of best films in history are considered blockbuster's and some enjoyed only moderate numbers. It is these films that are typically my favorite; see Scorsese, De Palma, Tarantino .....
Out of these Inflation-Adjusted Top 20 Movies Released Since 1977, it is only the ones I highlighted in orange that I consider truly great films; the other's are beyond me
1 1977 Star Wars
2 1982 ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
3 1997 Titanic
4 1980 Empire Strikes Back, The
5 1983 Return of the Jedi
6 1993 Jurassic Park Only the scene where the T-Rex first attacks; the rest of the film sucks.
7 1999 Star Wars: Phantom Menace
8 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
9 1994 Forrest Gump
10 1994 Lion King, The $490,301,426
11 1977 Close Encounters of the Third Kind
12 1978 Grease
13 1984 Ghostbusters
14 2004 Shrek 2
15 2002 Spider-Man
16 1996 Independence Day
17 1990 Home Alone
18 1984 Beverly Hills Cop
19 2006 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
20 1989 Batman
1 of those films in orange is in my TOP TEN EVER films and it sits at Number 10.
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In spite of the success of JAWS it carries more substance than more or less every film on the above list; most of which I think sucked.
Hollywood lives and breathes on the blockbuster. It is the blockbuster that more often than not, enables the smaller more intimate films to be made. Not the other way around.
Blame Jaws, the collapse of the studio system or blame the evolution of the business. It is the way it is.
-
The smaller films still get made. If a film is good; then it's good. Is it not ?
You seem to be fixated on the financial success of a project. It reminds me of the adage of the garage band. You always have the fan that loved and praised them until the day they became a success; and then they were sell-out's for achieving it.
-
There is nothing wrong with championing the films we all know and love; there is a reason these films are known and loved; they're classic's, they're the best of the bunch, they're the award winners, they're on the best ever list's ....
-
The eclectic art films and indiependent films that no one knows about are because these films appeal to a smaller niche. It is not to say these films are any less better or worse than the successful big pictures; they just don't appeal to a broad audience.
-
Some of best films in history are considered blockbuster's and some enjoyed only moderate numbers. It is these films that are typically my favorite; see Scorsese, De Palma, Tarantino .....
Out of these Inflation-Adjusted Top 20 Movies Released Since 1977, it is only the ones I highlighted in orange that I consider truly great films; the other's are beyond me
1 1977 Star Wars
2 1982 ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
3 1997 Titanic
4 1980 Empire Strikes Back, The
5 1983 Return of the Jedi
6 1993 Jurassic Park Only the scene where the T-Rex first attacks; the rest of the film sucks.
7 1999 Star Wars: Phantom Menace
8 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
9 1994 Forrest Gump
10 1994 Lion King, The $490,301,426
11 1977 Close Encounters of the Third Kind
12 1978 Grease
13 1984 Ghostbusters
14 2004 Shrek 2
15 2002 Spider-Man
16 1996 Independence Day
17 1990 Home Alone
18 1984 Beverly Hills Cop
19 2006 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
20 1989 Batman
1 of those films in orange is in my TOP TEN EVER films and it sits at Number 10.
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In spite of the success of JAWS it carries more substance than more or less every film on the above list; most of which I think sucked.
CallaghanFilms
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adaml said:At least you'll always have each other.
Go get 'em, boys!
