Vegas -> AE -> Vegas ... Too much??

Bluewave07

Bluewave07

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Hey guys,
I'm starting a pretty big Greenscreen project in the next month and things are getting a bit complicated, so I thought I might as well come to you guys for some answers...

First of all I'll be working in 24p (not sure if advanced) and 50-60% of the movie is going to be shot using a greenscreen.

NOTE: My AE and Vegas are on TWO different computers...I know, it sucks...

Here's the process I had envisoned:

1. Capture into VEGAS as 24p.
2. Use an external harddrive to transfer footage to AE (on my other computer)
3. In AE I pull the key using KEYLIGHT, then export out in AVI as uncompressed as possible. Put back into external harddrive.
4. Bring keyed footage into VEGAS where I will color correct. Render the movie in addition to individual scenes for DVD.
5. Put MOVIE and SCENES into external harddrive
6. Bring MOVIE and SCENES into AE in order to use AE's "ENCORE" DVD creating program to make DVD.

haha...

Anyway, I know it would be easier to just put my AE and VEGAS on the same computer, but beyond that are there any suggestions to make this alot easier. I like Vegas color correcting alot more, so that's what makes this complicated...

You guys rock,

Matt
 
Greeches,
Yes they are. The footage captured in VEGAS will be put directly onto the harddrive in AVI format.

However, would all these steps lower the resolution?? I'm afraid that importing and exporting too much is going to cause artifacting / quality loss..
 
as long as you continue the AVI output at full rez, there should be no loss, its digital!! :)

I would wait to do the 24p pull down till your final render in vegas.
 
Alrighty,
So what you're saying is when I render out of AE for the first time to go back and do color correction I should render as uncompressed AVI?

What settings would these be in AE, do you know? Just AVI / 3MBS? Sorry, im sort of a beginner at all this.

Also, during export from VEGAS back into AE for the final DVD authoring, what sort of settings are best for the creation of a DVD. Should I render into MPEG-2 with the pulldown since the video will be converted to MPEG-2 regardless?
 
greeches said:
as long as you continue the AVI output at full rez, there should be no loss, its digital!! :)
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Being digital doesn't mean there's no loss. There is compression. Any time there's compression, there's loss. The degree of loss depends on what you do to the footage and what codec you use.

I would wait to do the 24p pull down till your final render in vegas.
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What are you getting at here?
 
David,
What do you recommend in this situation. Is there some specific file settings I should use to export both out of VEGAS and AE? I've searched around the forum, but I feel my situation is a little more complicated than simply a single render. What do you reccomend?

Also, during my final render from VEGAS to put into ENCORE DVD Authoring, what should my settings be to optimize the DVD quality. Sorry that these questions are repetitive, but I'm a little confused!
 
I think you'd be best off staying uncompressed between Vegas and AE, but you could get into some HUUUUUUUUUGE file sizes that way. If it's too big, go with DV.

As for exporting to Encore, check with its documentation to see what you need for a 24p DVD. You could probably use the DVD Architect 24p templates.
 
i would NOT go DV codec between Vegas & AE ... Vegas Dv codec is 601 ( 16-235rgb) spec ... AE usually defaults to use microsoft DV codec ( 0-255rgb) and it is NOT 601 spec...

uncompressed AVI/QT is same in both apps = IMO go uncompressed between them ... if you want smaller uncompressed files you there's microcsom codec or Huffy ...

or you can change Vegas to use microsoft dv codec ...
 
I think we might be able to handle uncompressed AVI with a 70 GB external harddrive... A roughly 30 minute movie with some chroma keying and color correction...im not sure though, never done anything this big.
 
Oh, man . . . working in uncompressed for a long project, 70 GB is nothin'. DV takes up 12 GB an hour, and uncompressed can be up to 5-6x as big.
 
First off let me say hi, this is my first post!

I presume you are running vegas 6 or 7, so the way that i get my edits from vegas to AE is by saving my file as a AAF file format and then import that direct into AE, you will not have to render anything and all your cuts will be in place so you can work with each clip individually.

I've found this to be the best way to get my 2 fav apps to work together.
 
earthcubed,
I'm assuming that the quality preservation if you're just importing an unrendered file into AE is good then, right? Technically wouldnt all quality be preserved?? This sounds a little too good to be true!
 
yip, you will just be working with the original footage! NO RENDER TIME,
Just go to file-save as-(save as type drop down list) choose avid legacy AAF.
name file and hit save.

open AE, file-import-aaf. ( if you can't see the file set the import file to see all files)
the same timeline you had in vegas will now be a comp in AE, video + audio, your cross fades will also be there, but you wont have any effects or other transistions that you may have applied in vegas.

You will have to render out of AE to get your footage back to vegas though.

It save loads of time!!
 
Alright, thanks a lot man...that's really useful... im not sure if we're going to need to go from Vegas to AE though, probably just AE to vegas. But if we need to, we'll know what to do! Thanks
 
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