Final Cut Pro and color RED

PaPa

PaPa

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Hey guys.

Im new to final cut pro and have just been getting used to the change from premier pro 1.5

My concern is, and im sure this has been addressed so please dont bombard me with check the search, cause this issue is brought up man times in hundreds of threads..

Is there a way to fix the issue with the color Red being all Blocky?>

I never had this problem in premier pro 1.5.

but now, everytime i see a saturated red, its huge cubes as ive seen in peoples videos. But why is this happening in final cut and not premier pro.

is there a way to resolve this?

Thank you guys.
 
alright now i just found this effect calld

Video color smoothing 4:1:1
and
color smoothing 4:2:2

i tried them both and the 4:1:1 seemed to do the trick? But am i greatly reducing the quality of my video by doing this?

is there another answer?
 
I am going to assume here, but if Premiere is anything like Avid, then when you capture the video to your computer it applies a Chroma filter on import.

Final Cut Pro keeps the footage exactly the same as it is recorded to tape. Crummy colour space and all. So you will see the limitations of the 4:1:1 colour space more readily.

You are degrading your footage quality everytime you apply a filter to your footage, or anytime the footage needs to be rendered, or re-encoded with the new effect applied.

Applying a simple Chroma smoother won't degrade the quality of your footage so that there is a noticeable difference.

peas.
 
As suggested, this is a DV - codec and not FCP problem.

If you're doing lots of effects and CC to the video, I suggest you convert your material to DVCPRO 50 before final render.
This does _not_ make your video "better", but it gives your more headroom for colorhandling on effects.

Also remember to change your render-settimgs to "best" and colorspace to "high precision" before final render.

The difference can be pretty noticeable.

No reason to edit with these settings, though.

Gunleik

Also remember
 
You can change them globally for all your sequences in FCP's "Audio/Video Settings" and then going into the Sequence Preset tab. You can easily and quickly create a new preset, name it something like "Locked Picture Render" or such and crank up the settings. The mentioned settings are found under the "Video Processing" tab. I prefer to do it this way so that I can load my various customized presets quickly and easily.

Additionally, if you create a new sequence, just right (or control) click on it in the browser and click on the "Settings" option. This will allow you to adjust the settings for that independent sequence. Again look to the "Video Processing" tab. This is a sequence by sequence adjustment though. Only the sequence you specifically tinker with will see the changes and the settings used will not be remembered by FCP anywhere outside of that one sequence (or of course if you use the duplicate sequence command on that sequence, then the duplicates of course will also reflect those settings).

cheers.
 
k i tried doing Channel Blur in final cut pro as i dont see anywhere a chroma blur

and although it did not solve the problem, it cut it about half. However the rest of my imaging is suffering from a soft image.


**** guys, im getting really impatient with this, there must be a way....
 
You might try using the "Color Corrector" filter, selectively choose red and the desaturate it a bit.
 
k ill try to make myself more clear.


I do not want to have to adjust the colors, quality, anything of my picture.

Premier pro, somehow, is able to capture, yes from the dvx100b, beautiful reds, any saturated colors, without ugly steppy blocks.

Without color correcting, or chroma blurring, or channel blurring. there MUST be a way to get this in final cut pro, as it is so called, one of hte best non linear editors out there....
 
bump

this wont stop till this problem is addressed. and properly. im sorry for being a dick, but this is rediculous, so far im finding thart final cut blows big chunks.
 
PaPa said:
k ill try to make myself more clear.


I do not want to have to adjust the colors, quality, anything of my picture.

Premier pro, somehow, is able to capture, yes from the dvx100b, beautiful reds, any saturated colors, without ugly steppy blocks.

Without color correcting, or chroma blurring, or channel blurring. there MUST be a way to get this in final cut pro, as it is so called, one of hte best non linear editors out there....
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As previously mentioned FCP doesn't do any automatic image manipulation upon capture unlike some other NLEs. So you can either add a filter (Graeme Nattress has some awesome filters for FCP including a chroma smoothing filter) or capture via SDI. Besides using a capture method other than FW or using a filter after capturing via FW I don't see any other options.


-A
 
PaPa said:
bump

this wont stop till this problem is addressed. and properly. im sorry for being a dick, but this is rediculous, so far im finding thart final cut blows big chunks.
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Hi.

As mentioned, this is a codec and not FCP problem. I sorta start wondering how you're previewing your material, though.... Are you looking at a computer screen or at a proper monitor or TV? FCPs computer screen images are proxies. Have you done the "TV-test"?

The color red and DV has some serious implications, though...

As mentioned, FCP does not alter the image data from what is captured on your tape. What you see (if properly monitored) is a clone.

My guess is that you may have a monitoring issue.

You may also have an issue with the fact that red is a DV (and HDV) problem.

Gunleik
 
I have not yet done a TV test.

If this is a Codec issue, what is required to resolve the problem?

"ou may also have an issue with the fact that red is a DV (and HDV) problem."

again, not to be an ass, but ive said it many times. How can this be a DV problem, when ive been using premier pro 1.5 for a year and a half and have NEVER had this problem.

While on premier pro, and the forums, i had often read peoples complaints about this problem. I SPECIFICALLY shot reds to import into premier to prove that i did not get the problem, untill i switched to final cut pro.

Ill check out this natress thing.
 
read up on it; the red thing is totally a dv issue. Sounds like Premiere is automatically fixing it though, I'm assuming it's changing the quality of the picture though. Nevertheless I havent used premiere in years so Im not sure what the deal is. It's what I started on back in 1999.
 
If you've only monitored on a computer screen, this may well be a non-issue. FCP only shows a proxy of the video image - which is the way it was designed to fuction. You'll need to monitor your image at least on a TV through your camera before you make a fuss.

As to "cure" it, this is something we all have seen at some stage. Try to avoid to shoot saturated single reds, whenever possible.
DV can look great, but you have to be aware of the codecs limitations to make the most out of it and:

Always monitor on a proper screen, before getting nuts over stepping images and jaggies.

Gunleik
 
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i would love to monitor it on a proper screen but i dont have the means.

ill try burning some of my footage to dvd now and play it back on television.

im really hoping the solution is not buying more programs to fix this ( if it is indeed a codec problem, only really there on playback and not on dvd out or anything like that )
 
If you have a DVX and a TV, you have a playback solution which is way better than the computer screen.

Play out through firewire tthrough your DVX to the TV.

Use the scopes closely as you CC

You'll probably be fine.

Gunleik
 
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