How do you guys handle sound within Vegas 6.0 ?

No the Sure SM58 is a handheld dynamic microphone for live stage performance. It needs to be real close to your mouth to be effective which makes it great for screaming rock vocalists. ;-)

~jr
 
Ok then maybe i can use it for indoor VO recordings etc.
Johnny did u see my post on the ERROR that vegas is giving me ? Can you see it and try if you have some solution ? Thanks
 
I would not use an SM58 for VO. It is meant for live performance. Get a good condenser mic, preferably one with a large diaphragm. If your budget is $99 I can recommend the Audio-Technica AT2020. It’s an great VO mic for that price range.

I don’t know what the other problem could be. You might want to contact Sony tech support.

~jr
 
Ok ill look up audiotechnica website. Meanwhile. Im making a newly configured machine for Vegas. Should i put in a creative Audigy Card 7.1. Or my motherboard has inbuilt 5.1 (INTEL 945GNTL) will tat be ok or will onboard 5.1 hit the quality ?
 
I would stay away from the Creative Audigy card. They are great for games and playing DVD's but that's about it. I’ve had two and them and drivers are the worst. These card are really meant for playback and don’t have as good a recording capabilities as pro sound cards at the same price. If you really want great 5.1 surround, get an M-Audio Firewire-410 or an Echo Gina 3G with the M-Audio Studiophile LX4 + Extension speakers. If you can’t afford that and require 5.1 then get the M-Audio Revolution 5.1/7.1 card with good speakers. It is in the same price range as the Audigy but it’s better quality. If you don’t need 5.1 then there are any number of professional sound cards. Above all, make sure you get studio monitor/speakers and not PC computer speakers. You don’t want your speakers coloring the sound.

~jr
 
Johhny > What about the INTEL HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO which comes inbuilt on the higher end Intel Motherboards such as the 945GNT board. It is mentoned that its supposed to be on par with high quality stand alone boards. And they are officially tied up with Dolby to create INTEL HD Audio. Will this have any bearing on my processor performance or sound quality ?

Also i dont understand what is meant by a firewire audio card ? I thought firewire was a term mentioning the ieee1394 port ? If thats firewire then what is this ? Where does it go into the mother board and how does it plug into the board ? thru which port or ?? Sorry im very bad at these sound issues. Can you explain please ?
 
plainman007 said:
Johhny > What about the INTEL HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO which comes inbuilt on the higher end Intel Motherboards such as the 945GNT board. It is mentoned that its supposed to be on par with high quality stand alone boards. And they are officially tied up with Dolby to create INTEL HD Audio. Will this have any bearing on my processor performance or sound quality ?
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OK let’s get back to basics. If all you want to do is hear the audio from your camera, the chip on your motherboard is fine. If, however, you want to modify that audio in any way (EQ it, compress it, mix it with music, add a voice over, etc.) then you want be sure that what you are hearing is what you are getting. How much you care about this will determine how much you are willing to spend on good audio.

Motherboard sound chips, however wonderful sounding for playback, are just meant for playing back DVD’s. Sure the DVD’s sound great, but that’s because it’s accentuating the bass even at low listening levels. If you are going to EQ with such a system, how can you trust it? You can’t because what you hear is being colored to make it sound better than it is. Also if you want to record VO's, forget about anything that comes on your motherboard. The noise floor is to great.

Think about it for a second... the cheapest pro sound card is $100 and your D945GNTL motherboard was probably $120. How much of that $120 do you think is dedicated to the sound card? Certainly not $100 worth. So they can say what they like in their marketing brochure, that chip cannot compete with a dedicated pro audio card.

I guess it comes down to what is the level of your intended production quality. Would you color correct on a $99 portable TV? If the answer is yes, then the motherboard sound is probably OK too. If, however, you understand that you can only trust color correction to a properly calibrated monitor, then audio is no different. You want an audio system that is transparent so that you can hear the real sound. That means using a pro sound card with pro audio monitors.

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Also i dont understand what is meant by a firewire audio card ? I thought firewire was a term mentioning the ieee1394 port ? If thats firewire then what is this ? Where does it go into the mother board and how does it plug into the board ? thru which port or ?? Sorry im very bad at these sound issues. Can you explain please ?
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Firewire (i.e., IEEE1394) is a data transport mechanism. The PCI bus inside your computer that cards plug into is a data transport mechanism. They serve the same purpose. Firewire audio devices plug into your firewire port just like USB audio devices plug into your USB port, and PCI audio cards plug into the PCI bus via a PCI slot. The difference is that it is a LOT quieter outside your computer than inside. So sounds cards that are inside your computer (especially on the motherboard) are more susceptible to electromagnetic interference than outboard USB or Firewire audio devices. ECHO Audio has replaced all of its PCI cards with firewire versions. It’s really they best way to go.

~jr
 
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OK i think ill go with a firewire based audio card. But they havent even heard of Maudio here. Only creative is popular ? Can u give me the Maudio Site ? Plus i saw something called an Maudio card on the creative site itself ? This is confusing.
 
Johnny Im in Srilanka. We never get these brands here. What do i do ?

From the sound of it looks like ill have to invest in huge loads of money to start a simple one machine editing studio. To cut a video once in a while. How do you guys manage ? Im talking about the guys who arent doing this for a living ?
 
If you are not doing this for a living then the motherboard audio may be good enough. It all depends on what you are charging customers and the equipment you use should be relative to that. I cut a lot of video using a SoundBlaster card. Once I got better gear, I could easily hear the difference in quality. If your customer can’t tell the difference in quality then you don’t have to worry as much. If you spend $3000 on a pro video camera, you should not have a problem spending $700 on pro audio to go with it. Everything is relative.

~jr
 
Johnny, I was checking the zzsounds ( www.zzounds.com ) through www.tweakheadz.com website and found the following cards within quite a reasonable price range:

The E-MU® 1820M for 500 USD
The M Audio's Audiophile 2496 for 90 USD
The E-MU® 1212M Digital Audio for 150 USD

I guess the first one is much better card but I was wandering how much worse the E-MU® 1212M would be? All I need it is for work with the sound from HVX :).
 
Actually I cannot recommend EMU. They use to be a great company but then they got bought out by Creative (yup, the SoundBlaster people) and the quality went right down the tubes. The hardware is still good but the drivers and buggy. Lots of people are having problems getting the EMU hardware working with Sony ACID. Not sure about Vegas. Why even bother?

Echo and M-Audio are my favorites. The M-Audio Audiophile is a good card for stereo and is probably the least expensive solution for the HVX. The Delta-44 is also a nice interface. You also have to consider what speakers you will be using. The Audiophile 2496 has RCA output jacks while the Delta-44 has ¼” TRS.

I use the M-Audio Firewire 410 because it has XLR mic pre’s with 48v phantom power so I can do voice overs by just plugging in a good condenser mic. The Echo Gina 3G is the same way. The Audiophile 2496 needs a mixer if you every want to do any overdubs or VO work. Just something to think about. The Firewire Solo is half of a FW-410 and half the price.

ZZounds carries them all. Sweetwater does too but they actually have a very knowledgeable staff and can make recommendations if you call them. I am extremely impressed with Sweetwater’s customer service (they are outstanding) but I’ve bought from both and have been very happy.

~jr
 
Thanks for the suggestion, Johnny. It seems that I will go with the M-Audio but I am still giving a thoght about which one exactly. For example what do you say about

M-Audio Delta 1010LT 24-Bit 96kHz PCI Card for 200 USD and
M-Audio Audiophile 2496 for 100 USD or
M-Audio Delta 44 Digital Audio Sound Card for 150 USD and

M-Audio Audiophile 192 64-Bit PCI Audio Interface for 180 USD
M-Audio Delta 66 Audio Interface for 190 USD


Sorry for flooding but I am trying to find some optimal :) value for the money solution. I presume all that you have said about the Audigy goes for Creative's X-Fi as well, right?
 
Confusing I know. To add to the confusion, M-Audio counts their S/PDIF as an output in their product numbers. So my FW-410 (4-in/10-out) should have called the FW-28 because it’s really 2-in, 8-out plus 2x2 S/PDIF. If we apply this to the products in question we get the following:

The Audiophile 2496 and 192 are 2-in/2-out (stereo) devices
The Delta 44 is 4-in/4-out and has no S/PDIF
The Delta 66 is 4-in/4-out with 2x2 S/PDIF
The Delta 1010LT is 8-in/8-out with 2x2 S/PDIF and MIDI

So which one you buy depends on how many simultaneous inputs and outputs you need. Two are fine for most video work. If you are recording live performances you might want more inputs. The Delta 1010LT has 2 XLR inputs and mic preamps. The others do not. None of them have 48v phantom power for condenser mics. All are really designed to be used with an outboard mixer.

I have not seen the Creative X-Fi but Creative is a consumer game card company. ‘nuf said.

~jr
 
Very helpful! No live performances for the moment :). Just voice addition for the HVX footage and some music in the audio tracks, that would be all I guess.
 
Johnny, I just got a mail from my dealer that the 1010LT has a wordclock option that according to her was essential for synchronizing well the input signal and on pc audio or something like that :). Do you know how helpful this option would be in the case with HVX footage? Frankly have no idea what it actually does. Last bothering :)
 
Osmicata said:
Do you know how helpful this option would be in the case with HVX footage? Frankly have no idea what it actually does. Last bothering :)
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It won’t help at all with HVX footage. World clock is for sample accurate audio sync and is used to sync multiple pieces of gear together that all have world clock i/o. Yes, it’s a great pro feature but unless you have another piece of gear that supports world clock and a world clock generator you really don’t need it.

~jr
 
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