Would you pay $30 for DIY vibrating 35mm plans?
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nenaD
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SnodArt, I'm working with DVD Studio Pro and thought I might not bring anything new to you as a Mac user, still felt like bringing up the subject and mention DVD-ROM Content and DVD@ccess as powerfull and suitable features to enhance your DVD tutorial project.
If you think I could be of help well, I'd like you to know I'm only a PM away even though I live in Barcelona, Europe
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I got Barry's book after purchasing DVX100B and although it holds information I find useful, which is as well present in the forum, and I have read it, it's nice to have it gathered in one plac,e there still is but... I never thought wow, neither for the book nor for the following DVD content.
The price of it, as used in it's advertisment, for somebody who already invested thousands, what are a few tens of dollars more? It's clear to me you are pushing for a different league result. I like your position and I'm sure even Ed likes your illustrations better then his
I think DVXuser is a great place and there are different ways I see myself implicated. For us on the other side of the pond, it's not as easy to get the necessarry parts and build the 35mm adapter as described in different manuals. I think I would have done it buy now since I have been for over a year now submerged in following other people's projects.
I keep the fingers crossed for I know it's tuff to get it all done. Many projects, regardless how promissing, get stucked eventually and too many factors are involved. Step by step is probably the safest of all the ways to walk the path. DIY is a great mean of getting what one might find neccessary and this forum is very helpful in it.
I respect a lot the effort of people who do what they think do well and offer it to the public regardless if it is for free or goes with a fee. I consider myself a handyman, but sometimes that's just not enough and one has to consider time, space, tools, knowlege, experience, enthusiasm, family matters
and I don't know what else aside from money to be put in and not to forget the test/trial issue.
In my opinion, this money I supported with Barry's book and as I will buying this DVD project, one way or the other comes arround. It helps other people get to do similar stuff, somehow brings things in a universal ballance. I get excited with great projects and please forgive me on this block of text.
I mean, who's is DVXuser forum?! It's ours to keep and if users get material benefit from other useres who could possibly lose? I see SnodArt's DVD project as his turn to cash, and if the result ends up being great it will only boost other initiatives and collaborations and why not spin-off and full scale businesses. I think all DVXusers could only benefit from such stuff.
If you think I could be of help well, I'd like you to know I'm only a PM away even though I live in Barcelona, Europe
.I got Barry's book after purchasing DVX100B and although it holds information I find useful, which is as well present in the forum, and I have read it, it's nice to have it gathered in one plac,e there still is but... I never thought wow, neither for the book nor for the following DVD content.
The price of it, as used in it's advertisment, for somebody who already invested thousands, what are a few tens of dollars more? It's clear to me you are pushing for a different league result. I like your position and I'm sure even Ed likes your illustrations better then his
I think DVXuser is a great place and there are different ways I see myself implicated. For us on the other side of the pond, it's not as easy to get the necessarry parts and build the 35mm adapter as described in different manuals. I think I would have done it buy now since I have been for over a year now submerged in following other people's projects.
I keep the fingers crossed for I know it's tuff to get it all done. Many projects, regardless how promissing, get stucked eventually and too many factors are involved. Step by step is probably the safest of all the ways to walk the path. DIY is a great mean of getting what one might find neccessary and this forum is very helpful in it.
I respect a lot the effort of people who do what they think do well and offer it to the public regardless if it is for free or goes with a fee. I consider myself a handyman, but sometimes that's just not enough and one has to consider time, space, tools, knowlege, experience, enthusiasm, family matters
and I don't know what else aside from money to be put in and not to forget the test/trial issue.In my opinion, this money I supported with Barry's book and as I will buying this DVD project, one way or the other comes arround. It helps other people get to do similar stuff, somehow brings things in a universal ballance. I get excited with great projects and please forgive me on this block of text.
I mean, who's is DVXuser forum?! It's ours to keep and if users get material benefit from other useres who could possibly lose? I see SnodArt's DVD project as his turn to cash, and if the result ends up being great it will only boost other initiatives and collaborations and why not spin-off and full scale businesses. I think all DVXusers could only benefit from such stuff.
snodart
Veteran
nenaD said:SnodArt, I'm working with DVD Studio Pro and thought I might not bring anything new to you as a Mac user, still felt like bringing up the subject and mention DVD-ROM Content and DVD@ccess as powerfull and suitable features to enhance your DVD tutorial project.
If you think I could be of help well, I'd like you to know I'm only a PM away even though I live in Barcelona, Europe
NenaD. Thanks for the offer. I have some experience with DVD Studio Pro, but am no expert. I may be PMing you in the weeks to come. I was planning on having some DVD-ROM content. I think it is a must for things like the required parts/tools list and other similar items.
nenaD said:
I know that there are many folks in your position that don't have access to some parts (or the same parts). For this very reason, I have done my best to make sure that every part is included or is easy to find online.
NenaD, I appreciate your excitement and think you make some great points. When I first started the DIY DVD project, I knew it would be a good deal of work, but I have to admit that I had no clue just how much work (to do it the right way that is). I have crunched the numbers several times now, and I will be lucky to break even in this. So everything that I am putting into this now is not for monetary gain, but for the satisfaction of creating something that I think people will truly appreciate and enjoy. There have been several bumps that have slowed the project down, but I refuse to let them stop the progress.
Thanks again for you excitement and comments!
Things are moving right along with the DVD. I have been working away at each of the chapters. I am considering the idea of sticking with Photoshop and After Effects for the animated diagrams. Originally I was planning on using Maya for several of them, but I think that it is unnecessary and would be a misuse of time. Simple and clear will works the best I think.
I have also been working on the website. I want to get that up as soon as possible, but I have some more to do first.
Sorry, no footage or pics this time. I still haven't forgoten about the full res footage and the pic of the adapter itself.
nenaD
Member
I may sound a bit like a snob now, but I would like to catch the light for my movie through the best of the glass there is and using an adapter, making sure it passes the least possible glass before getting to camcorder's optics. I presume everybody likes Dan's work, but at the moment I would rather try to get interesting results paying tenth of the price of his little marvels and if we never come as close to get the thumbs up from Dan himself - bravo boys, you made it this time, I will eventually ask him to tailor an adapter for me.
I had the pleasure to speak with a camera and phtography director who works with major studios as well and he told me that camcorder's optics, even if there's Leica brand on them are not really in the league of the brand they sport. Thanks to dvinfo, DVXuser and couple of others forums and websites, I've been studying the matter, I could follow his talk. He thinks, as well as Dan, that my idea of placing Leica ELMARIT-M 1:2.8/28 lense in front of the 35mm adapter might do. Jonathan from Cinemek has Leica M3 and he loved my idea to use adapters who would put back in use optics excellense such telemetric Leica photographic cameras who actually implemented bayonet system but was slowlo but surelly pushed aside outdated with SLR camera system and lately with digital SLR. (Mine is M6 for the record ).
Second hand fixed glass like the one I owe, in Barcelona shops could be found, in good shape with their guaranties for about 2500€. My guess is that Jonathan Houser and myself are not the only Leica (photographic and camcorder optics) owners and that making an adapter that will sport such feature as Leica mount, and being a quality product, we could be on top of the hill. Speaking of us, I have in mind DVXusers that might identify themselves and eventually enter such a business. Maybe I'm mistaking, but I thought it would be a nice payback from me to DVXuser Forum, sharing this idea of Leica M mount for 35mm adapters. A lot of money has already been invested which got outdated and all of a sudden, thanks god for it's collection value, it get's completely new use, a flagship one, as when it was brought up in the first place, but in maybe even more dynamic field as video/cinema is.
A quality DVD DIY project could be a nice start of it all. A Hybrid, DVD-video containing DVD-ROM content could be a nice way to pay credit to DVXuser forum and all the people who helped, where credit is due, and since many of us are on daily bases attached to a computer, everything could be arranged to be just few clicks away, right from the DIY DVD. All that one should do is to have a credit card ready and practice Command/Alt to switch between applications triggered with DVD-ROM contents, presumed that the one is provided with internet navigator, and PDF Reader, picture viewer for graphs, etc.
In my opinion, this should grow to a DVXuser project which hopefully you SnodArt should supervise. I'd ask Ed and Marlene and everybody else to bring their part, and we'd all end up buying a DVD. Out of the Fund created from it, much higher quality adapters could be developed, I'm sure we'll break couple of ceilings much faster than pulling singularily each one in different direction. Maybe sounds utopic, but I believe it can be done.
I recomend a reading concerning DVD authoring: Apple Pro Training Series: DVD Studio Pro 4, Authoring Professional DVDs, Martin Sitter and Adrian Ramseier, 2006, Peachpit Press, 722p, paper back, DVD with PAL and NTSC lessons files included, ISBN 0-321-33482-5 and I payed for it in Barcelona 38,64 €.
If we manage this quality content, believe me, we'll have everybody's respect and make the landmark in DVXuser community. Maybe it will not break even right away, but since I do not insinuate publishing 722p book in paper but an eBook placed on a DVD, which could be preordered and pre-payed so it will end up being at fortelled items to publish, a DVD will not be individually toasted, which is time consuming in large quantities and the result cannot be compared with industrial DVD. I have a lot more to say on the subject from personal experience and I can document it if this post of mine gets proper attention.
What I'm saying is I've spent an hour with this topic over breakfast. I could do much better than that. I'm sure there are plenty of professionals among over 12.000 dvdxusers present. Not everybody passes through DIY part of the forum, but we could maybe grab some attention and bring together DVXuser Forum to the glory with different projects that will end up coined world wide due to communications and technology nowdays faciiltates it, breaking down the tasks, so even huge enterprises could come out to the light.
I'm a one-man-band who starts his endevour in the audiovisual art. I've been in science by now and doing PhD, sometimes one ends up in a field where there's just a couple of people in the world who he could talk about the subject on the level. This is not the case here. When I made my short movie, I could have done it completely by myself. Fortunately I didn't and things ran much more smoothly and I am sure it got better that way.
Well, these were just a few of my thoughts for this morning
I decided to share them with you, some of which I've been reading for months, and I grew a lot of confidence in you people, just to mention few Ed, Marlene, Dan, ovjamaica, bklyndv, and SnodArt. The DVD idea was there from the very beginning of Ed's thread. I just think it was not possible to get it all done by a single person by now.
Multiplying the effort by sharing tasks, everything is possible.
Best regards! I'm off to the beach for a swim before I get back to work
I had the pleasure to speak with a camera and phtography director who works with major studios as well and he told me that camcorder's optics, even if there's Leica brand on them are not really in the league of the brand they sport. Thanks to dvinfo, DVXuser and couple of others forums and websites, I've been studying the matter, I could follow his talk. He thinks, as well as Dan, that my idea of placing Leica ELMARIT-M 1:2.8/28 lense in front of the 35mm adapter might do. Jonathan from Cinemek has Leica M3 and he loved my idea to use adapters who would put back in use optics excellense such telemetric Leica photographic cameras who actually implemented bayonet system but was slowlo but surelly pushed aside outdated with SLR camera system and lately with digital SLR. (Mine is M6 for the record
).Second hand fixed glass like the one I owe, in Barcelona shops could be found, in good shape with their guaranties for about 2500€. My guess is that Jonathan Houser and myself are not the only Leica (photographic and camcorder optics) owners and that making an adapter that will sport such feature as Leica mount, and being a quality product, we could be on top of the hill. Speaking of us, I have in mind DVXusers that might identify themselves and eventually enter such a business. Maybe I'm mistaking, but I thought it would be a nice payback from me to DVXuser Forum, sharing this idea of Leica M mount for 35mm adapters. A lot of money has already been invested which got outdated and all of a sudden, thanks god for it's collection value
, it get's completely new use, a flagship one, as when it was brought up in the first place, but in maybe even more dynamic field as video/cinema is.A quality DVD DIY project could be a nice start of it all. A Hybrid, DVD-video containing DVD-ROM content could be a nice way to pay credit to DVXuser forum and all the people who helped, where credit is due, and since many of us are on daily bases attached to a computer, everything could be arranged to be just few clicks away, right from the DIY DVD. All that one should do is to have a credit card ready and practice Command/Alt to switch between applications triggered with DVD-ROM contents, presumed that the one is provided with internet navigator, and PDF Reader, picture viewer for graphs, etc.
In my opinion, this should grow to a DVXuser project which hopefully you SnodArt should supervise. I'd ask Ed and Marlene and everybody else to bring their part, and we'd all end up buying a DVD. Out of the Fund created from it, much higher quality adapters could be developed, I'm sure we'll break couple of ceilings much faster than pulling singularily each one in different direction. Maybe sounds utopic, but I believe it can be done.
I recomend a reading concerning DVD authoring: Apple Pro Training Series: DVD Studio Pro 4, Authoring Professional DVDs, Martin Sitter and Adrian Ramseier, 2006, Peachpit Press, 722p, paper back, DVD with PAL and NTSC lessons files included, ISBN 0-321-33482-5 and I payed for it in Barcelona 38,64 €.
If we manage this quality content, believe me, we'll have everybody's respect and make the landmark in DVXuser community. Maybe it will not break even right away, but since I do not insinuate publishing 722p book in paper but an eBook placed on a DVD, which could be preordered and pre-payed so it will end up being at fortelled items to publish, a DVD will not be individually toasted, which is time consuming in large quantities and the result cannot be compared with industrial DVD. I have a lot more to say on the subject from personal experience and I can document it if this post of mine gets proper attention.
What I'm saying is I've spent an hour with this topic over breakfast. I could do much better than that. I'm sure there are plenty of professionals among over 12.000 dvdxusers present. Not everybody passes through DIY part of the forum, but we could maybe grab some attention and bring together DVXuser Forum to the glory with different projects that will end up coined world wide due to communications and technology nowdays faciiltates it, breaking down the tasks, so even huge enterprises could come out to the light.
I'm a one-man-band who starts his endevour in the audiovisual art. I've been in science by now and doing PhD, sometimes one ends up in a field where there's just a couple of people in the world who he could talk about the subject on the level. This is not the case here. When I made my short movie, I could have done it completely by myself. Fortunately I didn't and things ran much more smoothly and I am sure it got better that way.
Well, these were just a few of my thoughts for this morning
I decided to share them with you, some of which I've been reading for months, and I grew a lot of confidence in you people, just to mention few Ed, Marlene, Dan, ovjamaica, bklyndv, and SnodArt. The DVD idea was there from the very beginning of Ed's thread. I just think it was not possible to get it all done by a single person by now.
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=45972&page=5Best regards! I'm off to the beach for a swim before I get back to work
snodart
Veteran
Hi all. An update of sorts.
The adapter and DVD have essentially taken over my existence. I have decided to slow things down a hair, as time with my wife and kids has suffered... and I can't let that happen. Work on the DVD will continue, but I honestly can't give an accurate release date. So, please do not plan around the release of the DVD. The DVD will be a great resource and my excitement about it has not changed. However, I am doing the majority of this alone and am having to face the fact that it is going to take longer than I had expected.
I will be DPing a horror-fest entry this weekend so there will be more footage to see. I am waiting on a motor to arrive from over seas and have been busy working on the DOF and 35mm Adapters Explained chapters. I will continue to post updates and am still planning on getting some pics of the acual adapter and some full res footage for download.
:dankk2:
The adapter and DVD have essentially taken over my existence. I have decided to slow things down a hair, as time with my wife and kids has suffered... and I can't let that happen. Work on the DVD will continue, but I honestly can't give an accurate release date. So, please do not plan around the release of the DVD. The DVD will be a great resource and my excitement about it has not changed. However, I am doing the majority of this alone and am having to face the fact that it is going to take longer than I had expected.
I will be DPing a horror-fest entry this weekend so there will be more footage to see. I am waiting on a motor to arrive from over seas and have been busy working on the DOF and 35mm Adapters Explained chapters. I will continue to post updates and am still planning on getting some pics of the acual adapter and some full res footage for download.
:dankk2:
Alex.Flory
Active member
Hi Justin,
Just got news it will be next week before I can get the motors. My sis will pick it up and send them to me. I will be outstation next week for business. So I will try to get them sent out end of next week after I come back.
Just got news it will be next week before I can get the motors. My sis will pick it up and send them to me. I will be outstation next week for business. So I will try to get them sent out end of next week after I come back.
ep19
Member
Snodart: I've been following Ed's thread for three weeks and you seem to be encouraging in the begining of around February learning as you go along cause I don't really know much about lenses and their theory's as well. What I'd like to know is how did you start out doing pvc stuff and now you are doing vibrating GG + DVD tuts. Take your time dude. No pressure here. And yes when your DVD comes out I'm definitely on board!
snodart
Veteran
ep19 said:
LOL. Thanks. I tend to go full steam and put 120% into things once I get started. It is a blessing and a curse. Luckily, I have learned from past projects that patience is equally as important as effort (It's one of those things that I know is true, but I still have to remind myself).
Thanks for the post.
chris f
Veteran
i think i would be interested in this. i'll be looking to buy/build a 35mm adapter here in the next month or so. to be honest i'd rather just buy it and know that it's going to work than to spend alot of money and still worry about screwing it up, but for this price and if the plans are simple enough i think i'd be willing to try it out.
snodart
Veteran
chris f said:
I hear you Chris. My goal with the adapter has been to make it as simple as possible to build and at the same time ensure that it will perform as well as the popular, pre-made adapters. Somebody mentioned this pages back, but the word will spread fast around DVXuser (and other forums) about people's experiences with the DVD/kit. So i'm assuming that there will be plenty of feedback to help you make a decision when the time comes. Thanks for the post.
snodart
Veteran
I was filming my son last night while we were playing outside. It was dusk and the sun had long since set behind the mountains. Anyway, I just though I would post it. I didn't have correct focus much of the time... pulling focus on a 2 year old is not a very easy task... even during the 4 seconds that he held still.
http://www.snodart.com/snodpublic/12micron_noah.mov
I tested 5 different ground glass "grits" today and will be looking at the footage this weekend. It was hard to tell on my 8" field monitor, but it looks like it will be a close race between 2 of them. I was looking for a grit that was fine enough too not show much grain at > f/11 and that was still rough enough to avoid a hot spot with my 28mm wide lens. I will be taking a closer look once I burn the tests onto DVD so I can watch them on my big sony video monitor.
I'm still waiting on the sample motor... otherwise things are starting to fall into place and pick up speed.
http://www.snodart.com/snodpublic/12micron_noah.mov
I tested 5 different ground glass "grits" today and will be looking at the footage this weekend. It was hard to tell on my 8" field monitor, but it looks like it will be a close race between 2 of them. I was looking for a grit that was fine enough too not show much grain at > f/11 and that was still rough enough to avoid a hot spot with my 28mm wide lens. I will be taking a closer look once I burn the tests onto DVD so I can watch them on my big sony video monitor.
I'm still waiting on the sample motor... otherwise things are starting to fall into place and pick up speed.
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slimchrisp
Well-known member
ditto
Alex.Flory
Active member
Hi Justin,
The motors are finally here. Will send it out tomorrow. Can you PM me you address again just in case.
The motors are finally here. Will send it out tomorrow. Can you PM me you address again just in case.
leteeci
Well-known member
:beer: Heeey Everybody..
What happened with this thread?
Snod; we all hardly waiting for this DIY kit!
I am from Europe, and it is hard for me to find all those parts..
Just for a notice; there is available replacement vibrating motor at
hobbyengineering; are those characteristics OK??
http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H3425.html
Cheers, david
What happened with this thread?
Snod; we all hardly waiting for this DIY kit!
I am from Europe, and it is hard for me to find all those parts..
Just for a notice; there is available replacement vibrating motor at
hobbyengineering; are those characteristics OK??
http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H3425.html
Cheers, david
Alex.Flory
Active member
According to Justin, the motor isn't strong enough. Best bet is to wait for his finished DIY manual.
snodart
Veteran
leteeci said:
leteeci said:
That is the 12mm motor which I have tested with several designs. It is possible to get it to work... just not as well as the larger 14mm motor. Thanks to Alex.Flory's help I am testing a 14mm motor today. So far it looks like it will work great, but I have a few more things to try with it today.
The fact that the Sanko 14mm motor is out of production is what slowed the DVD down... since the design was based around that motor. If the tests continue to go well with the new 14mm motor then things are going pick up big time.
snodart
Veteran
bballplaya283 said:
Thanks.
Now that I'm done with my two Horror Fest projects, here is a list of what is to come:
1) Snod35.com website. Currently password protected. Here is a quick grab of the basic layout. Pics and text are temporary and for layout purposes only.
2) Pics of the actual Snod35
3) Some sample full res clips for review. I might end up having to mail these out on a DVD depending on how big the clips are and how many people want them.
For those that are interested. I recently used the Snod35 while DPing a Horror Fest entry. Here is the link to the thread with a few BTS pics. I don't think any of the pics show the Snod35 very well.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=72831
and here is a link to the thread with the mirror sites to download and watch the short. look for "The Seeing" by Rich Spencer.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=73718
Back to work for me.... (yes, on the DVD
)