Black Bars at top and bottom of screen FADE OUT...

Ruben, if your clips are less than 10 MB, upload one and post the link.

Or, email your VEG file -- I'll PM you my address. You won't send any footage along with it, but I'll be able to see what you're doing in terms of effects, crops, etc..
 
John,

No, as I mentioned, when I bring the single scenes, as AVI's, that have fadeouts, you can see the bars fade gray on DVDA. So it's not just the TV or player.

The fadeouts are regular fades on the timeline.

I don't seem to be able to paste the picture to the clipboard, as someone suggested, on DVDA. The paste icon is inactive. I can do it in Vegas, but the gray bars are not visible on that viewer.

Some additional information though, the opening fadeup to the project (in which I have three seconds of no video on the timeline, to give it a sustained black), shows up on the TV (and DVDA), as very solid black, but with the gray bars, top and bottom. As soon as the viceo kicks in, after the three seconds, the bars are very solid black (that match the black in the center area between the bars) before the video kicked in.

Does this mean something?

Ruben
 
Ruby Tuesday said:
John,

No, as I mentioned, when I bring the single scenes, as AVI's, that have fadeouts, you can see the bars fade gray on DVDA. So it's not just the TV or player.

The fadeouts are regular fades on the timeline.

I don't seem to be able to paste the picture to the clipboard, as someone suggested, on DVDA. The paste icon is inactive. I can do it in Vegas, but the gray bars are not visible on that viewer.

Some additional information though, the opening fadeup to the project (in which I have three seconds of no video on the timeline, to give it a sustained black), shows up on the TV (and DVDA), as very solid black, but with the gray bars, top and bottom. As soon as the viceo kicks in, after the three seconds, the bars are very solid black (that match the black in the center area between the bars) before the video kicked in.

Does this mean something?

Ruben
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I say apply a crop all the way across the project. Damn it. :huh: :( :)

I know you shot anamorphic, but for the tranny's and fades, I'd cover them up with a crop; or can we ?

(I have never shot anamorphic)
 
No cropping of any kind should be done here.

Ruben, I see the AVI you sent me as doing exactly what I say it's doing.

What you've probably done is open another DVDA project to put the AVI in, but you didn't set its properties to widescreen, so it's a 4:3 project. Because it's widescreen footage, DVD Architect is putting in black bars to fill out the rest of the 4:3 image, and those bars are 16, 16, 16 black. When your footage fades, it fades to a 16, 16, 16 black card, but it looks like you rendered past that card to an open timeline, and it jumps immediately to 0, 0, 0 black between the bars.

(Or, you may have set the project properties to 704x480 Widescreen, in which case you'd have very narrow bars on the top and bottom.)

But, as before, the letterbox bars on the top and bottom do not change shade.

As I don't see any kind of cropping or underlay in your VEG file, this can't be a Vegas issue.

Have you tried calibrating your TV?
 
No, you edit in a Widescreen project. When shooting Squeeze, Vegas should automatically know the PAR of the video should be 1.21. When using the anamorphic adapter, you have to set it manually.

If you want WIDER than 16:9, you have to crop. But that's not what Ruben's doing here.
 
David,

You're right. When I popped the AVI into DVDA I forgot, in my hurry, to adjust it to Widescreen, so it made the bars. When I adjusted it to Widescreen, there were no bars.

The thing is, that when I burn the full MPEG2 project on a disk, I DO adjust it to Widescreen, and then when I view it on the TV, the bars DO go to gray. I know it doesn't that on DVDA now, you're right, but it still does on the TV. It's not an optical illusion on the TV. I checked it again covering up the rest of the screen, and the bar does lighten up.

Let me ask you, since as you correctly stated, I rendered past the 16, 16, 16 black card (to extend the fade), and the 0, 0, 0 black jumps in, shouldn't the fact that I tried putting a 16, 16, 16 generated black have covered up that 0, 0, 0? Or would the 0, 0, 0 still show through?

Thank you,

Ruben
 
It will until you get to the point on the timeline past the black card:

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It must be a calibration issue with your TV, then; maybe it can't handle the difference between the blacks. The color info being fed to the TV remains consistent.
 
I usually do, though it can increase render time. I make sure I give it three seconds leeway on both sides.

An advantage to this is that you have a ready-made loop region at your disposal. You double-click the black card and a region the length of the card is selected; you can then use the loop region to render both your audio and video for DVD and you'll be sure to have the same region for both.

This can be very helpful if you make changes and want to re-render the audio only or the video only -- you'll be certain you're rendering the same loop region every time and the audio and video will sync up.

(Obviously, you need to re-render both if you make any changes to the program length . . . )
 
Nope. I generated a 16, 16, 16 black card under several scenes, including a fadeout, but it still does it.

Do you think if I generated a black card with 0, 0, 0, that might do something?

Ruben
 
Still does what? Are you still rendering past the card?

A 0,0,0 black card would do exactly what the empty timeline does.

Have you tried the DVD on another player/TV?
 
The bars still go gray. Yes, I was still rendering past the card.

The same thing happens on a different TV and Player.

Ruben
 
I see what you're getting at. But I do need to have extended blackouts for certain fadeouts and ends of scenes. What do you recommend I do for those? Generate black cards with 0, 0, 0? Would that do it?

Ruben
 
Stretch the 16, 16, 16 card out as far as you need it. You only need one card, just spread along your entire project.
 
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