Black Bars at top and bottom of screen FADE OUT...

Seriously -- it's an illusion. Do this -- put a piece of cardboard or something else opaque over the screen so that all you can see is one of the black bars. Then watch it during the fade.

Buuuuut . . . if for some reason it DOES fade, it doesn't have anything to do with what you do in Vegas, because those bars are generated by the DVD player, so the problem would lie in either the player or the TV.
 
David,

Thank you for your aid. Regarding the following:

"...if for some reason it DOES fade, it doesn't have anything to do with what you do in Vegas, because those bars are generated by the DVD player, so the problem would lie in either the player or the TV."

Then how is it that, when I view the film on DVDA2, before I even burn it to disk, I can see the gray bars during the fadeouts?

Thank you,

Ruben
 
There should be no grey bars at all in DVDA's preview if:

Your footage is anamorphic (or squeeze mode).

You didn't crop your footage at all.

You rendered from Vegas as Widescreen.

You're working in a Widescreen DVDA project.



My understanding is that all of those are true.

Can you post a screen shot of the preview in DVDA?
 
David,

I just realized that it was the AVI of the scene with the fadeout that has the bars on DVDA (although that was rendered from Vegas as 24P Widescreen), whereas when I plug the whole project into DVDA (as MPEG2), there are no bars.

I'm not sure how to get a JPEG from DVDA. I tried right-clicking, but that didn't work. Is there another way?

Thank you,

Ruben
 
Hit print screen. This puts the image into the clipboard.

Paste from the clipboard into a photo editing app like Microsoft Paint (under accessories) and save as a .jpeg.
 
Ruby Tuesday said:
I just realized that it was the AVI of the scene with the fadeout that has the bars on DVDA (although that was rendered from Vegas as 24P Widescreen), whereas when I plug the whole project into DVDA (as MPEG2), there are no bars.
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Well, this explains the bars in DVDA, then. If the widescreen render (MPEG-2) has no bars in the preview, then everything is as it should be.
 
But there are still bars on the TV. I can see them as the fadeout occurs. It shouldn't be that way. Other videos I play on the TV don't do that.
 
You're watching a standard TV, right? 4:3?

Like I said above, in order to display widescreen footage on a standard TV, the DVD player puts bars above and below the widescreen image.

The other DVDs probably have their blacks where they should be, so the black fadeout is the same shade as the bars, and it looks like a uniform black screen.

As we said above, a black solid color card with the values 16, 16, and 16, in R, G, and B running under the length of the video -- or at least under all of the fades to or from black -- will take care of this problem. It won't change the shade of the bars -- it can't; you have no control over that in Vegas -- but it will conform your black fade-out to the shade of the bars.
 
OK, let me illustrate what's happening.

Here's what widescreen video looks like played on a 4:3 TV. The DVD PLAYER adds the bars on the top and the bottom to give you a letterboxed image:

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The bars look black, right?

Now, the video fades. You have a fadeout to the timeline, which is 0,0,0 black instead of 16,16,16 black. 16,16,16 black is the equivalent of what the black bars over and under the image are. So, the bars suddenly look grey:

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I assume that both of these images look familiar to you.

But the black of the bars DOES NOT CHANGE:

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The "fade to grey" is an illusion. The bars simply look grey because they ARE grey compared to the black-black of the video. But they were always grey, even when they looked black. They seem to "fade" because the video is getting progressively darker than the bars.
 
Here's a dumb question, but I'm going to ask it anyway:

If it is playing on a TV, would you even see it? If the bars are generated at 16,16,16 and that's the lowest your TV can show, wouldn't a 0,0,0 look exactly the same shade? Sure on a computer you can see, but would you on a tv.

This has been a very informative thread. I learned a lot about how to do widescreening for DVD export, so thanks guys.
 
The TV's calibration can be off... in which case, it *can* show material that is blacker than standard/normal black.

Stated differently, the TV can be mis-calibrated to show these blacker-than-black colors / levels lower than standard black level.
 
David,

Thank you for your very detailed illustrations and for trying to help me. I sincerely appreciate it.

Unfortunately, the scenario you describe is NOT what is happening in my case.

I covered up the rest of the TV image, except for one of the bars, and played the fadeout section, and I can actually SEE the bar become grayer as the fade occurs. There was no other image that I viewed, that would cause the optical illusion, except the actual bar fading and getting grayer.

I know it's frustrating, but that's the truth.

I'm at a loss as to what to do.

Thank you,

Ruben
 
Well, that's an issue with the TV or DVD player, then. It's not Vegas creating the bars. But, do the things we've said with the 16, 16, 16 black card and see if it helps anyway.

You could try to calibrate the the TV. You can use the color bars from the DVX and then follow these instructions the best you can with the controls you have:

http://www.videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm
 
David,

I tried the 16, 16, 16 black card but it still does it.

In reference to it being caused by the TV or DVD player, the thing is that when I bring the full MPEG2 project into DVDA2 I CAN'T see the bars...but when I bring just the individuals AVI scenes, with fadeouts in them, I CAN see the black bars fading to grey and back, right there on DVDA! So I don't think it can be just the TV or DVD player, because then how could it also happen in DVDA?

I hope this may give you an idea as to what the cause might be.

Thank you,

Ruben
 
Have we ever tried applying the bars anyways ? Assuming there may be footy other than anamorphic in the project ?

Can you provide us with a screenshot of your Vegas App where the Fade takes place ? Is this Fade one generated by a Transition in Vegas or by a Fade Handle ?

Does it appear normal on the computer and it is only on the tv where we have this issue ?

Is your tv calibrated properly or is the brightness jacked up ?
 
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