Jarhead - Recycling has never been so demoralising.

^faldo^

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After playing some preview code for Joint Task Force, I was in the mood for a good modern combat war film. But I've seen a lot of them, and I can be a picky bastard.

The winning package had to be gritty, like Full Metal Jacket. It shouldn't take itself too seriously, see also Three Kings. Topical subject material, a-la Apocalypse Now, wouldn't go astray. The blend should remind me of a war film, but still surprise me with originality.

Imagine having your favorite guitar stolen years ago. The emotion has now well and truly subsided. You stumble into a pawn shop, see it on the rack, and had no choice but to buy it back. What's worse is that not only do you have to buy it back from a thief, you do so through several layers of other people's financial gain. That's what watching Jarhead was like for me.

This feeling -- which snowballed throughout the movie -- was surprising, even though I, like everybody else who signed up to watch Jarhead, should have expected something similar. After all, watch it and you're already on the Genre Bandwagon. But the film's subject material should dictate genre categorization. I hate to say it, but Jarhead is a collage of pop-culture war genre traits first, and a war film second. It's a student who's spend all semester drunk, and is pulling every trick in the book in the final exams to coax us into letting it pass.

Although the setting of the film was during the Gulf War, that is no excuse for using the same over-exposed style and handheld shots as Three Kings. The script was too heavily reliant on Full Metal Jacket's memorable throwbacks to something original, ground-breaking and defining. Scenes from Apocalypse Now were creatively dumped onto the screen verbatim, which removed from the movie's slow tension build.

Most, if not all, of the movie was just that -- tension building. It was like watching a Harold Pinter play. Excruciating. There was far too much time spent in the middle of the desert, accomplishing nothing. I'm well aware that this was the intention, but I only understood the characters when I saw the deleted scenes. For this reason, I would have kept a lot of them in.

There's a lot of power in seeing a man freak out because he can't find the gas mask to which he has become atached, to the point of paranoia, during a raid. As I see it, derailing the momentum of the film momentarily to emphasize what war does to men isn't such a bad idea, seeing as though nothing else is happening. After all, the film's standfirst is "Every Man Fights his Own War". I didn't care about the characters, because they didn't do anything. Perhaps one guy was a little nuts, although he seemed like that from the beginning. That's all the film gives you to chew on, honestly. You've seen all the rest before.

This was the one thing that Jarhead couldn't borrow from all the other trailblazing war films that have come before, and recur through, it. And it's a damn shame, too. It's a below average film in a genre that studies one of the most rich facets of human behavior.

Sigh. But that's enough out of me. People, what did you think?
 
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Agreed, but I think you give it even more credit than it's due: I coincidentally watched Full Metal Jacket just before watching Jarhead and the latter copies the first almost scene by scene, right down to the final burning field climax ("climax" in the case of jarhead). I could prove it by posting numerous grabs but I'm not going to waste my time.
 
I liked Jarhead, good movie, I liked the realisticness about it its not like every other war movie.

FMJ is a great movie btw.
 
Hi ^faldo^ and welcome. Nice review!

Believe it or not; this is one film I just haven't seen yet. With less than stellar reviews, this is a rare film which will be what the cirtics say it will be ...

I'm not in the mood to waste my time with it. And when I watch a war film; I want war.

I dont want to watch the troops doing nothing. A funny mention

There's a lot of power in seeing a man freak out because he can't find the gas mask to which he has become atached, to the point of paranoia, during a raid

Mt brother, who was in this war speaks of this very scenario (one I have heard him speak of for years); he said people were 'trippin out' and he had to take his gear (MOP gear) awat from one of hid roomie as the rommie was panciking)

SO I guess I need to see this.
 
I didn't like the film per say, but didn't have a problem with "no war" in it. that was the whole purpose of the film and if memory serves me correct it is based on a true story/experience (i could be wrong).

i never really cared for the characters either, but it was interesting to see the crap that soldiers have to deal with because of politics.

The film was very much on the surface, was never really in-depth. the acting of the main character wasn't all that impressive either.
 
talent in a cast lost to talentless vision in production. the story was not compelling and like you guys i didnt care about a single character. they all could have been shot/blown up/burnt to death/strangled/fallen down a well and i would have batted an eye.

this movie was crap -

i was so excited before i started seeing the reviews - and then watching it was pure pain. was hoping for a mix of 3 Kings and FMJ on steroids, but instead we got FMJ hungover and on downers smoking a joint.
 
accidental anarchist said:
was hoping for a mix of 3 Kings and FMJ on steroids, but instead we got FMJ hungover and on downers smoking a joint.
For me, 3 Kings sucked big time, too. :zombie_smiley:
 
Didn't like any of the characters and it felt like a poor copy of Kelly's Heroes.

Clooney seldom plays a believable character for me. Too often, he's mugging for the camera..."Hey, look at me, I'm George Clooney, movie star."

EDIT: "sucked big time" ? perhaps a little overboard. But I did not like it. I think I might like to save the "sucked big time" description for something nearly unwatchable. That said, if someone was looking for a recommendation of this movie, I just couldn't give it to them. There are so many better war movies. Regarding George Clooney: I like his performance in A Perfect Storm. He was okay in the first 20 minutes of FDTD (which really did "suck big time":Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) ). And Ocean's Eleven was an entertaining popcorn movie. But then came the movie star sin of Ocean's Twelve and I see where Ocean's Thirteen is currently filming. Do we really need that?
 
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What is this "I didnt care about charecters" BS?
I'll tell you why you dont like those grunts in the movie: Cause they were real... Case was real, vanity was real, charred bodies lying on desert was real... Reality is hard to swallow for sure...
 
Blaine said:
Didn't like any of the characters and it felt like a poor copy of Kelly's Heroes.

Clooney seldom plays a believable character for me. Too often, he's mugging for the camera..."Hey, look at me, I'm George Clooney, movie star."

EDIT: "sucked big time" ? perhaps a little overboard. But I did not like it. I think I might like to save the "sucked big time" description for something nearly unwatchable. That said, if someone was looking for a recommendation of this movie, I just couldn't give it to them. There are so many better war movies. Regarding George Clooney: I like his performance in A Perfect Storm. He was okay in the first 20 minutes of FDTD (which really did "suck big time":Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) ). And Ocean's Eleven was an entertaining popcorn movie. But then came the movie star sin of Ocean's Twelve and I see where Ocean's Thirteen is currently filming. Do we really need that?

funny, i just bought three kings this evening for $5 at blockbuster. I remember really liking it and was excited to get it. I didn't like Perfect Storm, thought it was pretty dumb. But totally agree with you on Ocean's 11 and 12. O 12 is one of the worst films i've ever seen.
 
i really enjoyed jarhead. even though it borrows heavily frommother war movies it's still a real treat to watch, if only for the amazing cinematagrophy :D
 
3 kings is great. a different apporach and real, and very beautiful.

spike jonze is great GC and MW and IC as well. if you ask me thats great casting.

3K is a superb movie and my friend miss the chance to work on it and kicks him selfs.

jarhead is good as well different. you get in the mind of these kids who had nothing at home or a horrible homelife or lost something back home and all they had was the desert and the wait for the war. what they sign up for they get nothing out of it and you can tell that they have nothing and what is that for life. your given an escape to something different and you're still getting **** out of....

if you ask me its a good war movie about the struggle for wanting more in life. internal war which we all have so i like it... if anything john you like it for the visuals and cinematography... JG performance is great as well.
 
volcano said:
What is this "I didnt care about charecters" BS?
I'll tell you why you dont like those grunts in the movie: Cause they were real... Case was real, vanity was real, charred bodies lying on desert was real... Reality is hard to swallow for sure...
You have abolutely no idea what your are talking about. It has nothing to do with charred bodies lying in the desert. It has to do with the living characters in the film. If your comment is hiding some kind of politcal agenda, that's your problem. You want to see good war movie? See:
We Were Soldiers
Saving Private Ryan
Full Metal Jacket
Apocalypse Now
Band of Brothers
Gallipoli
Black Hawk Down
 
You have abolutely no idea what your are talking about.
On the contrary. There is this misconception when it comes to judge a movie: "Charecters must be likeable, good or bad"... I'll tell you one thing; most charecters in 'REAL' life are dull, colorless and has to go a lot of MAKE UP to appear on the screen.
Anybody who spent time in military (did you, Blaine?) recognizes how real was those charecters' MOTIVATION, FEAR, DESIRE, etc... To me that is engaging, seeing a charecter's INNER WORLD, not some sort of ACCEPTED NORM of some worthless film critic's opinion...
If your comment is hiding some kind of politcal agenda, that's your problem.
Cant even tell, can you Blaine? No agenda... 2 reasons: this forum is not the place for that, and it would be deleted anyway...
Few of them are good movies in your list btw...
 
I thought Jarhead was a great movie. I thought the character were realistic. I realized it borrowed from other movies, but I didn't feel it was bad. A lot of flicks do that, resvoir dogs for instance. I've seen countless movies that rip off T2's action scenes. It's not a big deal as long as it's done tastfully and I feel Jarhead was pretty tasteful.

The "Deer Hunter" scene in that film was quite depressing I must say.
 
volcano said:
On the contrary. There is this misconception when it comes to judge a movie: "Charecters must be likeable, good or bad"... I'll tell you one thing; most charecters in 'REAL' life are dull, colorless and has to go a lot of MAKE UP to appear on the screen.
Anybody who spent time in military (did you, Blaine?) recognizes how real was those charecters' MOTIVATION, FEAR, DESIRE, etc... To me that is engaging, seeing a charecter's INNER WORLD, not some sort of ACCEPTED NORM of some worthless film critic's opinion...

Cant even tell, can you Blaine? No agenda... 2 reasons: this forum is not the place for that, and it would be deleted anyway...
Few of them are good movies in your list btw...
Did you, Volcano? I was in the military probably when you were crawling around the living room floor. My father retired after 26 years in the military. I believe I probably have a pretty good idea what it's all about.

I don't think we've ever met, nor do I remember having ever spoken to you, so I find it laughable that you understand what I really like or don't like about this movie. Because it doesn't speak to me the way it does to you, I don't understand characters in movies?:shocked: I realize that you have probably been around more than most of us on this board and that your scope of human understanding is far greater than ours, so in the future I guess I'd better defer to your opinions since they obviously carry more weight than anyone else's.

Well, I explained why (per Hudson's request) I didn't like 3Kings, perhaps you could explain why you don't believe the movies I listed are good.
 
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