which timeline should I use for 24p normal?

chromeboy007

chromeboy007

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Yeah noob question I know... I was under the impression that since I shot my footage on 24p normal, I should be using the 24fps timeline. but according to different sources I should've used 30fps timeline... actually 29.97 to be exact.

My editor has been cutting my short on 24... FCP didn't give it a problem while we are doing it but from looking at my rough cut I think there is something wrong... it is a bit jittery.. but I'm not sure.

Does any of you know for certain which timeline I should've been cutting on?

Since we have been able to cut it on 24; theoretically, what would happen to 24p normal footage cut on 24 fps timeline?

thanks folks.
 
24p "normal" footage is always captured 29.97 and cut on a 29.97 timeline.

The sticky at the top covers 24pA footage.
 
Joe Kras said:
24p "normal" footage is always captured 29.97 and cut on a 29.97 timeline.

The sticky at the top covers 24pA footage.
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I was under the impression that you can manually set your sequence timeline at 24. it looks as though thats what my editor did.
 
well it would be 24 it would be 23.98 and yes you would work in that sequence if your footage has been captured porperly and the pull down has been removed.
 
imgentertainment@mac said:
well it would be 24 it would be 23.98 and yes you would work in that sequence if your footage has been captured porperly and the pull down has been removed.
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ahh.. 23.98 or 24? does FCP remove the pull down for you automatically?
 
No -- let's back up.

Shooting 24P on the dvx adds a pulldown cadence of 3.2.3.2. Shooting 24pA on the dvx adds a pulldown cadence of 3.2.2.3 or 2.3.3.2 (whatever) or what's called ADVANCED PULLDOWN. This pulldown changes the frame rate from shutter snapping away at 24fps to 30fps. Anyway -- FCP will ONLY remove this advanced pulldown from a clip either on capture or after the fact, thus letting you now edit in 24fps.

Since you shot in 24p there is no advanced pulldown to remove. So you are stuck using it in 29.97 timeline.

HOWEVER -- there is a program that will remove the 3.2 pulldown, called reverse telecine... it's called Cinema Tools and comes with FCP. It's not hard to do. Load the fully captured clips into Cinema Tools and tell it to remove the pulldown or to reverse telecine it -- I forget which.

THEN and only then you will be able to edit 24p (from the dvx) into a 23.98 timeline.

Good luck - if you need more help I'll walk you thru it when I get home later.

CaptM
 
thanks Capt.

the thing that puzzles me that this point is that we did not remove the pulldown on Cinema Tools and FCP DID NOT give us hassle when we directly put the clips onto the sequence set at 24p timeline. that's why we did not question it, until we burned the DVD and watched it. the motion is odd, like there is something wrong with it but it's hard to pinpoint.
 
A related question - If footage was shot on 24pn (not advanced), then edited (low rez) on 29.97 timeline - is it possible to "Unlink" clips on timeline, then recapture all the clips (at full rez), run those clips through batch process Cinema Tools to remove pull-down. Then move all clips from 29.97 timeline to a 23.98 timeline, unlink, then relink to folder of Cinema tools-processed clips.

Does this make sense and would it work? If not, any suggestions on how to make this work?

Appreciate your help on this, for as the orriginal poster stated, DVD's (progressive scan) look like crap in 24pn.
 
CaptainMench said:
It's not hard to do. Load the fully captured clips into Cinema Tools and tell it to remove the pulldown or to reverse telecine it -- I forget which.
CaptM
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On eachindividual caputre? or are you able to do it to your whole video at one shot?

I will be purchasing FCP Pro either tomorrow, or saturady, jus thought I would ask.
 
It handles captured material ... but I'll have to look... I think there's a batch feature.

You DON'T want to be doing it on the cut film unless you are VERY careful to match cadence frames when editing. THEN you can remove the edited film's pulldown.

CaptM
 
CaptainMench said:
It handles captured material ... but I'll have to look... I think there's a batch feature.

You DON'T want to be doing it on the cut film unless you are VERY careful to match cadence frames when editing. THEN you can remove the edited film's pulldown.

CaptM
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so you can't realistically remove the pulldown after cutting...?
 
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