From CPU to TV=Poop on a stick.

Slimothy

Slimothy

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I'm having a hell of a time getting similar results between my monitor and my Television set.

When I look at my project on the monitor, it looks good. Pretty filmic, colors are good, not too saturated, but still popping, movement looks good, etc.

Then I render it to a .avi file and print to tape, and play it on my t.v. via my dvx.

This is where it gets ugly--->literally.

The footage honestly looks like it is 60i. The colors get saturated and pastey, the whole thing just looks amateur as it gets. What the hell is going on. I've done other projects, and it seems like I've had better results in the past. I've always noticed a difference, just not as bad as I am now. I know my monitor is not calibrated correctly, but like I said, I've used it before and had way better results.

I think the main problem is the footage looks 60i. Did I do something wrong w/ the settings.
 
Can you tell me how to hook up to a t.v David?

Also-as far as the 60i problem. I rendered again, but when I made the .avi file, I went into the video settings and changed the frame rate from 29.970 to 23.976 (inserting 2-3 pulldown) and it changed dramatically! Why is this?

I thought that if you shoot in 24p (not advanced) it should fine on a 29.970 timeline. Am I missing something.

Thanks again, Tim.
 
Just run firewire to your camera, and then hook up your camera to a TV. Click the little monitor button above the preview window.

As for the footage, what timeline did you edit on? If you're using Vegas, there's little reason to edit in anything but 24p.
 
I edited on a 29.970 timeline just in case I had to mix in any 60i footage. I ended up not using any 60i though. Am I doing it wrong?

Thanks David, Tim.
 
Slimothy said:
Then I render it to a .avi file and print to tape, and play it on my t.v. via my dvx.
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Youch!

I bought a broken sony handicam from a buddy for 10 bucks. Tape mechanism is worthless, but the firewire and S-Video out works just fine.

You should really think about getting a firewire to TV permanent go between.

I don't even use my DVX to capture, I have an ancient GL1 for that.


You should be able to edit your 24P perfectly well in a 60i timeline, and that's the best way if, like you said, there may be some 60i stuff in there.

When you are printing to tape, are you printing a file that is 24p? I think that may be the problem, since the DVX would then be converting it back to 60i when you print to it.

Then playback would be odd.

The colors, saturation, and Contrast will all increase when you go to your TV. What has great contrast and awsome color on your computer monitor will be too much for your TV to handle. What looks flat and dull on your computer monitor will brighten up bothe with color and increased contrast when you play it on the TV.

Your monitor can handle 16.7 million colors, and your TV can handle about 3.4 million. I read that here in the forums somewhere (I think it was here) and that's one hell of a difference.
 
Yea, I def. need a capture cam. I was using one, but it crapped out. need to get a new one.

When I print to tape, I think that's what it was doing, was writing it back at 60i or something like that. I then changed the settings for the .avi file (before I rendered it) to include the 2-3 pulldown and it looked MUCH better.
Rapier_100a said:
Youch!

I bought a broken sony handicam from a buddy for 10 bucks. Tape mechanism is worthless, but the firewire and S-Video out works just fine.

You should really think about getting a firewire to TV permanent go between.

I don't even use my DVX to capture, I have an ancient GL1 for that.


You should be able to edit your 24P perfectly well in a 60i timeline, and that's the best way if, like you said, there may be some 60i stuff in there.

When you are printing to tape, are you printing a file that is 24p? I think that may be the problem, since the DVX would then be converting it back to 60i when you print to it.

Then playback would be odd.

The colors, saturation, and Contrast will all increase when you go to your TV. What has great contrast and awsome color on your computer monitor will be too much for your TV to handle. What looks flat and dull on your computer monitor will brighten up bothe with color and increased contrast when you play it on the TV.

Your monitor can handle 16.7 million colors, and your TV can handle about 3.4 million. I read that here in the forums somewhere (I think it was here) and that's one hell of a difference.
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When you have 24p footage and render to 60i, Vegas will sometimes try to convert from 24p to 60i.

As others mention, use an external monitor.

2- A TV handles less colors, but that's not really a big real world difference. i.e. you have 6-bit LCDs that only handle around 262k colors... and millions of them are being sold.

IMO things like the following make a much bigger difference:
Vegas displaying the image as studioRGB instead of computer RGB
overscan
interlacing
chroma crawl
implementation - i.e. consumer CRTs exhibit certain flaws or have certain image cheats to them
resolution
 
If your really serious about color correcting then you should consider getting a professional monitor that has a blue only capability for proper setup using SMPTE color bars. Sony PVM's are excellent. You can find used ones using online auctions or at professional video houses.
 
Used monitors can be sketchy when they have subtle flaws... you might want to evaluate the monitor before buying.
 
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