Lessons Learned and Report on All My New Equipment

ptalsky

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Hi all,

I just completed a shoot that gave me a chance to shake out all of my new equipment so I thought I would report in on the experience, lessons learned and new equipment reports, all rolled into one.

This was a first time shoot for me with this production company, who specializes in narratives that are all improv. I came prepared for a sit and mix, and it ended up much more ENG. They run two cameras on every shot, and at times need audio just for one camera, and some times need it for both cameras (some of the setups are just simple OTS/OTS, but with some, there is considerable distance between the cameras.)

So, new experience and lessons learned:

1. Always show up with everything. I left many connectors and other cables at home (most for my ENG kit) because this was going to be sit-and-mix. I really needed many of those pieces.

2. Always quote a day rate and specify it is for 10 hours. The crew call was 4pm, and we wrapped at 6am this morning (we were targeting to wrap at 1am). Fortunately for me, the producer was a stand-up guy, and they paid me for the extra time without me even having to ask. The other good news was the drive home was easier because it was light out. ;-)

3. Be flexible, friendly, and helpful, even when you're exhausted. I was thanked by so many people for just that, and they are already talking about booking me for the next shoot.

Equipment:

1. The ListenTech's (Comtek equivalents) work great! Tunable, no need for a mono-stereo adapter for headphones, no frequency chips, AA batteries, good reception. They're a bit bigger than the Comteks, but the price is at least half. I picked up Panasonic "digital" headphones for them for about $20 each, and they work very well (comfortable and good sound and they fold up to make transporting them easier). Side note - two of them also worked very well under my SD302 in my Petrol bag to raise it up...I had broght my bag just to transport the mixer and recorder, and ended up using the bag all night. See note #1 above.

2. I am loving the SD 302. On several shots we had to run two booms and because of the distance (and my missing cables) I could only run one boom into the mixer, so the other one went directly into the camera. Well, out came a G2, and I attached the Tx on the second camera, connected the Rx to the audio return on the 302 and I could monitor both mics and make sure the levels were essentially equal. It was perfect.

3. If you are using a K-Tek boom, I strongly recommend you get your boom op a pair of those knit work gloves with the little rubber dots on them. They give the boom op some extra grip, and help avoid hands rubbing up and down the poll.

4. As far as the Petrol bag goes, I think I need to spend some more time with it to set it up better. I also need right angle plugs all around. With my recorder connected to the 302 (Tascam HD-P2) I could not leave my timecode cable connected too. (Of course, if I had brought my XLR to RCA cables I usually use with the recorder for line-in, I wouldn't have had this problem...see note #1 at the top).

5. I love my Countryman B6's. I have said this before, so I won't gush here again.

6. I picked up an inexpensive cart at Lowes that works great. It is one of those wire-rack types of carts, with three shelves. Cost my a whopping $50 (the wheels were extra) but it works great. The wireless Rx's can hang from the rack and stay out of the way, and every thing fits really well. And, it fits in the back seat of my car without taking it apart. And it cost $50 instead of $500 or more for a "professional cart". It would not be great for outdoors (the wheels aren't big enough) but for interiors it was great.

7. One of the things I left at home was the harness for the Petrol. Would have saved my back a bit, but fortunately, most of the time I could put the bag down on something and still mix.

8. Another nice benefit of a timecode slate became clear last night: I couldn't keep any kind of reasonable sound logs, so when they are trying to match shots with the audio I recorded on my recorder, they can refer to the TC on the slate and match it to the metadata in the BWF to get the right audio file, even if they don't actually use the TC for syncing. (Question: Does anyone know how long the batteries generally last in a Denecke TS2-SB? They lasted over 9 hours last night, but I've never pushed them that far before.) Oh, and another benefit of the TC slate...especially on a low-budget shoot...it really impresses people. ;-)

Wabbit, was it you that was interested in my Comteks? I think they're going up for sale this week. PM me....

Anyway, that's all I can think of right now...I may add to this post later...I'm going back to bed. G'night all...

Phil
 
glad to hear about the slate impressing the client.

i JUST got a denecke ts-3 slate used.

i wanted it for a dozen reasons of my own but the extra bit of it wreaking of every behind the scenes hollywood shot they have ever seen was a nice bonus.

i'm not sure about the model you have, i have the one with the backlit display...

when i turn it on it tells me the batteries level.

it starts out at like 9.? and goes down from there and warns you when the batteries are dead. it says something like battery dead on the slate before it is actually dead.

mine uses 6AA. i've been looking into what options are out there to feed into the 4 pin xlr power cable input...

reinforces my credo of always bringing most everything just in case.

get a big storm case and keep the misc stuff you don't need in the car. you can lock the case and even get a cable lock to lock it around a seat bracket for security.

matthew
 
Phil... that's a good BTS of real world shooting. I couldn't agree more... it always seems to be that there's one thing I can't believe I didn't bring to a shoot... so I way over pack for every job... it takes me at least an hour to run all the possible scenarios through my head as I'm deciding what to bring... which means I usually bring nearly everything.

I gotta' get a 302 before I get the TS slate... but I'd love both. The 302 has got to be one of the greatest mixers ever for a video guy (unless you can afford the 4th channel I guess)... I can't WAIT to get one. I never thought I needed a mixer and it's seriously one of my favorite bits of gear... I mean one of my FAVORITE tools! And all I have is a freakin' mixpre.

The talk about battery life means I must get this plug in... I have a ton of the Energizer rechargeable AA bats... the 2500 mAh ones. Energizer makes a quick charger that charges 4 of them from empty in about 20 minutes! The charger (so far) only comes with the 2300 mAh bats, but I gave those to my girlfriend for her digital cam... and the 2500s have been kicking ass! I use 'em in everything! In the mixpre, 671, and G2 sets... and I have extra on hand, but I can get through some shoots w/o ever changing anything... and with the extras ready to go I can get through any day I've had so far!
 
thanks, phil! i love this kind of stuff, real world shoot notes and stuff. i wish there was an easy way of posting pictures up on this site, I think that would be really great too.

I have also increasingly moved to rechargables, matt. unfortunately, i dont have 2500's, but i do have a bunch of 2300's (and im not even anyones girlfriend), but they do last very well and save me a bunch of cash and worrying about being short on batteries. anyone know how many charges a battery can have before it goes weird and is not good for our work anymore?

I also finished a shoot up today, but not very exciting really. no "lessons learned" or anything... shot with sen 416, oktava, 302, and two sets of uwp-c1's.

ordering my first sets of lectro's tomorrow evening (when its morning in LA), and then the last thing i want to buy for a while is a cs3e shotgun...

have a good rest phil, thanks for a great post.. i really enjoy hearing from you guys with the experience and passion to share it...
 
Matt,

I used to have some 9V rechargables, but found I spent a lot of time keeping them charged and ended up chucking them. With the AA's, they are super cheap, so I don't mind them as much. I just bought 100 of them at Fry's here in Norcal for $20. (Of course, I charge my customers for them, but I'm nice and don't mark them up.) This is why I'm going to all AA's across the board.

As far as the 302 vs the 442 goes, go ahead and get the 302, Matt. You've already got a MixPre, so you could gang the two and get 5 channels. I'm actually starting to keep my eye open to pick up another 302 and gang them for when I need more channels...but there are other things I'm going to get first.

Next thing I'm looking at getting is a BDS for my bag. Every time I go to Trew's site there it is saying "buy me now!". And I think it would be awesome to not worry about batteries at all for my bag (well, still need them for the G2's, but not for the mixer or recorder). I talked to someone at Trew and he felt that one Li-ion NP1 would certainly last one day, and maybe two given the equipment I'm going to power (302 and HD-P2). I will still probably pick up two batteries. And, the Petrol bag has a nifty place to tuck all that stuff away. ;-)

Speaking of the Petrol, Matt, do you have any pictures of how you hook the harness to the bag? I have tried a couple different setups and I just can't seem to get it right (i.e. getting the weight mostly on my shoulders, not my lower back.)

Oh, and one other thing I left out of my post above...I didn't use my Octava on this shoot because I only have one. I ended up using my matched pair of Rode NT-5's. Also, these are cartioids, which worked better given the lack of experience my boom ops had. Again, the less experience, the wider the pickup pattern.

Oh, and yet another one more thing...echoy bathrooms. Our last shot of the night (well, the morning, it was 5am) was in a fairly small bathroom that was really echoy with no opportunity to hang sound blankets (would have been in the shot no matter where I put them.) So I asked the director if we could open the window to the bathroom...and this actually helped cut the echo a bit. Gave a bit of sound a way out. ;-) If we hadn't been there for more than 12 hours already, I might have jumped in and set wireless mics, but I didn't think of that until just now.

Phil
 
me other hand worked 200 km out my home base with camera crew that arrived from London 2 hours befor we started to drive , since its foreigner crew and i worked them first time i had to do the best impression ican withot know what the demands are ,since they never told me .
i took half of my house and stock to 2 large kata cases , 2 mixers ,744 ,2 shotguns 3 95 w batteries one of my lovely schoepses , 3 lectrosonics ,1 sony 810 (for ifb) and the zaxcom , basically i had more then the camera man which came with 790 and stedicam in one large bag
i ended up with 302 ,zaxcom,lecto on our subject with 810 on the camera for return feed and schoeps on the boom
the boom was really not usable at all since the steady guy didnt worked anything that not 4.5 mm lens .
conclusions -
1.i love my zaxcom
2.i started appreciate the 302 more for its weight .
3. the petrol harness work extremely well
4 .i took to much crap with me
5 .there is no such thing as to much crap, the batteries saved the camera man since he came with half empty ones .
6 .alwais insist to eat right after/during the shooting , i finished with empty stomach after 10 hour of shooting since they insisted to eat back in tel aviv and fall dead as we arrive to their hotel

but they were happy ,might be they call me again, i hope (they paid me extremely well )
 
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oleg, thanks thats some great advice and info..

how were you running your rig? dual wireless zaxcom to camera from 302, and return wireless via sony? then lectro on the subject?

is that right?
 
its a single wireless ZAXCOM which carry 2 channels to the camera
all the other details are correct
 
oleg i understand that zaxcom is some of the best wireless you can buy, but surely even zaxcom can have dropouts sometimes? does the cameraman wear headphones to make sure the signal doesnt ever drop for a second or is it not so important with zaxcom?

last question, how do you mount the tx and rx on the camera? hot shoe? custom system?

(hey oleg, been following the other post, just want to thank you for being an "open house")

tim
 
nop - the camera man didn't want to have headphones and i could understand it since the rig was on and off from his belt , so its quit a drag to wear and get reed the headphones every time .i didn't argue and just put the the sony as return feed . for camera feed the zaxcom is usually bullet proof device since you dont work more then 5-15 meters distance from the camera in regular conditions.
for the regular work with lavalier or 2 :-) with 100mw out( the output is adjustable by the way , 100,50.20 and 3 mw ) it has 60-70meters range as the lectrosonics with 100mw out , and the range quit depends on the rf conditions in the shooting aria .
i hardly remember times that were hit with dropouts ( usually i insist that the camera man would be with headphone in ear device so dont put anything back for checking .
the sound that came back was awful this time since we had electronic ballast sitting over the camera handle to power the flash ring , so the hum was huge , remember that sony cant accept normal line level so i had have attenuated transmitter to its maximum and turned the headphones out to very low level position which with headphone distortion on the sony **** headphone amplifier and huge self Sony transmitter noise brought me the worst feed i ever had .
the digital dropouts of zaxcom sounds completely different from the analog system so i could realised easily if there actual drops occurred .
the sony works fine for 15 meters so there were minor dropouts for the whale day shooting .
since the camera came without mounting device , i velcroid the receiver to the battery adaptor on the back , the camera was powered exclusively from the steadycam rig
which controlled all the power ( monitor , ring light and my receiver).
the sony tx was velcroid on the right side of the camera near viewfinder and was powered from his own batteries


------hey oleg, been following the other post, just want to thank you for being an "open house")---------------

dont know what are you talking about :-)
 
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-- dont know what are you talking about :-) --

sure you dont :)

thanks oleg...

ironic that maybe a g2 would have liked the return feed more :)
 
MattinSTL said:
The talk about battery life means I must get this plug in... I have a ton of the Energizer rechargeable AA bats... the 2500 mAh ones. Energizer makes a quick charger that charges 4 of them from empty in about 20 minutes! The charger (so far) only comes with the 2300 mAh bats, but I gave those to my girlfriend for her digital cam... and the 2500s have been kicking ass!


On the subject of rechargeable AA sized batts:
Those Energizer 2500mAh are amazing batteries!!
Charging this battery in 20 minutes sounds insane! That would mean they'd have to load them puppies up with 7.5A! Do you have a link to that charger? Wouldn't mind trying it, since that battery is also my battery of choice.

This charger is one helluva neat unit:
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/products/spec_items/bc900.html

Yeah, it comes with some AA and AAA rechargeables that are so-so; yeah it includes some accessories such as the plastic enclosures that you can use to go from AA to C, or even D size. But the REAL value is in the charger; it is a 4 bank (all independent of each other!) multiple charging current selectable, and displays each battery voltage on an LCD. Can also DISCHARGE at a selectable rate. Displays the charging current and actual mA that were charged/discharged. And more features.
It really is a sweet unit; Thomas Distributing sells them for under $45!
 
That charger you linked looks impressive... the energizer unit is very plain, but it will still charge the bats independently and just so you check out the right one, they call it a 15 minute charger... it takes a little longer if you up the mAh. I bought mine at Target, but I'm sure you can get one anywhere.

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/

I wonder if that really cool charger would get the job done at a similar rate? The display on that charger is really high end for the price. Do you have personal experience with that one?

*EDIT... I just downloaded the manual for the unit you linked... it says 70 minutes to charge (4) 2000mAh AA bats... so 3x as slow at least.

The great thing about the quick charger is I can "top off" my bats if they've gone unused for a couple weeks... it'll do that in less then 5 minutes... and with the approx. 20 minute turn I can get all the bats charged for the mixpre, 671, and 3 G2 units in no time... then if I have an external flash for stills that's 4 more AA bats... and if you want to know how prepared I normally am... take all that times two. I start each shoot day with 36 juiced up AA bats. I should mention that I actually bought TWO of the Energizer quick chargers. Which means I can still get ALL those bats juiced up in less then 2 hours.
 
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the return is not something you hear all the time , so the sony does ok job
when there is no high voltage supplies sharing the same ground .
anyway i have the lectro ifb with lm tx which is much better for these applications . i can power it from the camera with battery eliminator , i didnt bring it to the shot since it was paying my sun english lessons yesterday ( so if he will become one day a lawyer he would able get me better contracts with foreigner productions :-))
 
MattinSTL said:
That charger you linked looks impressive... <snip>
I wonder if that really cool charger would get the job done at a similar rate? The display on that charger is really high end for the price. Do you have personal experience with that one?

*EDIT... I just downloaded the manual for the unit you linked... it says 70 minutes to charge (4) 2000mAh AA bats... so 3x as slow at least.

Yeah, that LaCrosse charger IS GREAT; I have a few of them and they rock. But yeah, when charging 4 AA at the same time, 1000mA is maximum charging current, so about ~2.5hrs charging for the 2500mAh batteries. It can go up to 1800mA when charging only one or two batteries.

It is NOT a fast charger per se; I use setting 200mA and 500mA mostly, as I can't imagine a AA battery liking a 3C charge!! It's INSANITY!! :)
The maximum battery life / charging cycles will be achieved with MUCH lower charging amps.

To be honest, I think you're just too damn impatient!!!! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
oleg - i figured you would have something like that. oleg with g2 seems almost like a joke to me :)

i did some research on the zaxcom, incredible... but completely out of my league, even though i would love a set.
 
I dont want to call g-2 a joke since it does allot for the money you pay , i used it quit allot in my life as aditional wireless feed for other equip or as aditional ifb , very little use as prime wireless sets on rigs that were supplied to me.
they are usially ok but not for extreme situations that you can find your self involved . so since i alwais like to be on the saif side and can aford something better i choosed not to work with .
but i i in my way of thinking alwais have one rule , the equip you buy must support you financially .so to say every one to buy the extreme stuff like 411 or zaxcom without ability to make these return the money is stupid .
the zaxcom is unique tool and not fit every ones work - for me its just another one to simplifies the stuff without compromise . but dont get me wrong if this one was not bringing the buck, it was right away flying true the window for sale .
 
fair enough... i also like the g2, but of course there is always one step better. this is life.

if you ever throw the zaxcom out the window, wrap it in bubble wrap first. :)
 
oleg, do you charge a flat rate for your gear rental and services? or how do you regulate the income for each piece of equipment?
 
no - i have my celery and i have a basic package for eng / doco stuff cost .
then i negotiate for all other components i bring . i alwais bring more since the responsibility for the working stuff is on me and i like my clients will be happy and if something happen ill never had to ask production to stop until i get the substitute gear .
if it rental - i only take my headphones not to get someone else deceases.
and dont take any back up if they not like to pay for.
commercials i usially have bigger standard package with or without the recorder , then i add any thing else there is demand for aditional cost .
usially it ifb or pb package ,.i usually bring more so if they ask or i feel i need it i ask the producer and pull it from my bag .
for dramas its flat weekly/monthly rate for much bigger package if there enouth money .
eventually you check what is your gear worth now.and calculating your running costs for 3 years with 50% worth for the gear for fast selling .
adding insurance ,maintains , renting substitute gear for what out of business to repairs ,interest you pay to the bank if you borrow the money , deduction from your taxes money .+ get 15-20 % over the sum you invested.
i have to pull about 6-7 % month for my packeg . to be in balance without loosing about 4-4.5 .
if nothing happened and your gear didnt fly to US or England for repair ,or you keep the equip more time you make more profit ,
you need to make the calculation every year since gear go down in the price , your additional cost change as well ,currency exchange rates change as well .
so i keep it like this to have 60-70$ a month for every 1000 i invested , in the end of the year i check what equip didnt do it and it flyes from the window .
in your country the numbers would be definitely not the same but the basics are the same .
 
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