J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
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Please.
I disagree. None of his films have been MEGA BLOCKBUSTER SUCCESSES
Please.
I disagree. None of his films have been MEGA BLOCKBUSTER SUCCESSES
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Jeremy Ordan
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But it worked with Hostel and I'm willing to take his name on something being a stamp of approval.
Look, QT also was the one who got Hero released in the US and that is the most incredible film to come out of China. Furthermore, he really is a filmmaker that pays respect (or respekt, whether or not you prefer street jeremy) to masters of the past while reinventing filmmaking for the future.
A great example. The scene in Pulp Fiction where QT is talking with Keitel. I challenge how many of us would have had the balls to just lock the camera down and shoot it as one long shot rather than going OTS and CU. If it was me, I would have used 50 shots for that conversation... QT has a vision and he executes it, his films, as John said, really are events.
He is one of the few masters working today, and while I wish he did more, his rate of production makes things on par with the release of a new star wars film.
-Jeremy
Look, QT also was the one who got Hero released in the US and that is the most incredible film to come out of China. Furthermore, he really is a filmmaker that pays respect (or respekt, whether or not you prefer street jeremy) to masters of the past while reinventing filmmaking for the future.
A great example. The scene in Pulp Fiction where QT is talking with Keitel. I challenge how many of us would have had the balls to just lock the camera down and shoot it as one long shot rather than going OTS and CU. If it was me, I would have used 50 shots for that conversation... QT has a vision and he executes it, his films, as John said, really are events.
He is one of the few masters working today, and while I wish he did more, his rate of production makes things on par with the release of a new star wars film.
-Jeremy
Mark Harris
Pain in the ass
Wow, I thought I would get flamed for saying Jackie Brown was his best film!
Whew!
Thanks for stepping up, John. It is BY FAR his best film. It showed that he could actually care about his characters. It was a real step up for him, in my opinion.
Whew!
Thanks for stepping up, John. It is BY FAR his best film. It showed that he could actually care about his characters. It was a real step up for him, in my opinion.
Blaine said:But there's a reason for that and it's the quality of the projects he has done. Now, the way he's pimped Hostel, on the otherhand is just a damned shame.
Eh, you know, that actually kind-a goes along with why I think he's overrated. Slapped his name on Hostel, and it's just one big blood bath. If it was just Eli_Roth, how well do you think it would've done in comparison to? I guess that's not really making any kind of point, but it goes along with why he's overrated.
John--
It's good to see that you're fine with people having opinions. I don't dislike him at all (Well i did hate him when he re-released Iron Monkey and cut out the good parts. THat was just wrong). I wish I had his career, just as many others do. I just feel that he's totally overrated.
That being said, I do own Kill Bill 1 and 2. =DDD
Jeremy Ordan
Major Contributor
JB is a masterpiece, but I personally think that the KB series surpassed it. With QT's films you can see a noticable growth from each project, and considering he started with RD that's a pretty nice high starting point.
I just said to a friend, there are always going to be those film fans who believe unless the Directed By line says anything other than Eastwood, Spielberg, Ford, Mallack, or Welles people will consider it shite. The problem with this, in my opinion, is that the most daring directors out there right now happen to be Tarrantinos, Finchers, Rodriguezes, and Zombies. These are the people pushing the envelope while others rest on their laurels (I think that Speilberg is incredible, he's one of my people, but he hasn't really pushed the envelope in a while in my opinion although he has made some great films).
Just my opinion. Viva La Revolution!
-Jeremy
I just said to a friend, there are always going to be those film fans who believe unless the Directed By line says anything other than Eastwood, Spielberg, Ford, Mallack, or Welles people will consider it shite. The problem with this, in my opinion, is that the most daring directors out there right now happen to be Tarrantinos, Finchers, Rodriguezes, and Zombies. These are the people pushing the envelope while others rest on their laurels (I think that Speilberg is incredible, he's one of my people, but he hasn't really pushed the envelope in a while in my opinion although he has made some great films).
Just my opinion. Viva La Revolution!
-Jeremy
John_Hudson said:
Whatever you say, man. I'm fine with being [passively] called a liar. LOL. Makes no difference to me. I know what I've seen, and I know the people I get tips from are legit.
And sorry, his earlier movies may not have been Blockbuster, but [nearly] anything he stamps his name on now has been considered a blockbuster.
Sin City - Rodriguez has enough push, but stick Tarantino's name on it for directing a Car Scene and a talking head? Sky rocketing sales.
Kill Bill 1 and 2 - major campaign with Tarantino's name. Had it been Ivan Reitman, do you think it would've sold that much? (By the way, Super Ex-girlfriend is on my list of To-Sees.)
Hero - I saw this movie a long time before it hit the states. Believe it or not, it WAS in Blockbusters before then. Stamp Tarantino's name on it, now look at how many people have watched it.
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TheYankee said:
Absolutely. Spielberg is textbook, Tarantino is not. In that same instance, I don't even think Directing is pushing the envelope... it's what the director chooses to direct. The writers are the ones pushing the envelope, DIrectors and Producers get credit for it. (Brokeback Mountain, short story to screenplay: Ang Lee gets all the credit. But who knows who Annie Proulx is?)
It's the content they choose to direct. But if you were saying that in the first place, yeah.. absolutely.
Filmjunkie677
Master of Horror
Actually, he only wrote one story from Pulp Fiction.
"The Gold Watch"
Roger Avary woulndt have a career without QT
"The Gold Watch"
Roger Avary woulndt have a career without QT
Filmjunkie677 said:
That might be true. You can't say that's a fact, though. It's just how it turned out.
On another note, that's correct. Roger Avary wrote the mini-stories. On another hand, he did write Silent Hill. =))))
I have no problem with Roger Avary at all. But, he did NOT write Pulp Fiction or Resevoir Dogs.
As stated by Blaine, it's hard to prove a negative and I don't have any hard evidence to prove I'm right. So, basically everyone can go on believing it's all him.
EP2005
Well-known member
John_Hudson said:
you know, a couple weeks ago i went to universal studios and sat in the Terminator 3-D experience and the whole time, i was thinking how awesome it would be if every movie was in this kind of 3-D. I was very very impressed with the quality and, if prices stayed below $10, i could see myself going to movies much more than i do now.
Jeremy Ordan
Major Contributor
I'm one of those people who rarely goes to the theatre because:
1. I have surround sound at home
2. I don't have to put up with other people when I watch movies at home
3. I don't need to pay $6 for a soda at home
4. I don't need to hear other people talk when I'm at home (except for the voices in my head, but they shut up when I smack them)
5. I can smoke at home
6. A $4 rental or NetFlix is a lot cheaper than $8-$10 at the theatre.
While the theatre experience is second to none, I still prefer not to be around other people. That said, a 3D movie has a chance of getting me out of the house, but a QT film always gets me there openning night with all those crazy fan boys.
-Jeremy
1. I have surround sound at home
2. I don't have to put up with other people when I watch movies at home
3. I don't need to pay $6 for a soda at home
4. I don't need to hear other people talk when I'm at home (except for the voices in my head, but they shut up when I smack them)
5. I can smoke at home
6. A $4 rental or NetFlix is a lot cheaper than $8-$10 at the theatre.
While the theatre experience is second to none, I still prefer not to be around other people. That said, a 3D movie has a chance of getting me out of the house, but a QT film always gets me there openning night with all those crazy fan boys.
-Jeremy
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
I am passively calling you a liar and I apologize, that usually is not my style. Usually I'll call you a liar without sugar coating it.
I'm kidding ! I dont know your sources. But I dont buy it. But not because you are telling me.
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No way the writers are the ones pushing the envelope ! No no no
Think Tarantino's screenplay for True Romance or Natural Born Killers. Both of those films would have been soooooooooooooooo different if Quentin had helmed them. Think Zach's Dawn of the Dead on Gunn's script. Think John Carpenter's Christine or DePalmas Carrie ... Think Spielberg's vision of Omaha Beach in Saving Private Ryan
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Screenplays are the blueprint to any film but it is the director who brings vision and life to the piece.
There are a million ways to shoot this scene:
The question is; how would I shoot it differently than you ? Those are merely words on a page. How do you envision this sequence? I am curious.
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Sin City - RR's best film yet and another example of it being a unique vision; in this case a frame by frame shot of the panels in the graphic novel. Imagine if Paul Thomas Anderson or Uwe Bolle got ahold of Sin City.
It isn't about credit. Never will be. Writer's are a completley different breed than the Film Director.
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I'm kidding ! I dont know your sources. But I dont buy it. But not because you are telling me.
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No way the writers are the ones pushing the envelope ! No no no
Think Tarantino's screenplay for True Romance or Natural Born Killers. Both of those films would have been soooooooooooooooo different if Quentin had helmed them. Think Zach's Dawn of the Dead on Gunn's script. Think John Carpenter's Christine or DePalmas Carrie ... Think Spielberg's vision of Omaha Beach in Saving Private Ryan
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Screenplays are the blueprint to any film but it is the director who brings vision and life to the piece.
There are a million ways to shoot this scene:
CAPTAIN HOWARD
Accident. Relax.
Pvt Vinson nervously swings the mounted machine gun from one German
in the rear to another, but doesn't shoot. German soldiers
point their rifles at the Americans.
CORPORAL SMITH
No.
German #6 jerks his K 98 rifle toward Capt Howard and fires at Capt Howard who takes a shot to his arm grimaces violently in pain.
Corporal Smith fires his pistol. The bullet tears through German 6's chest. German 6 falls to the ground.
Pvt Vinson swings the mounted machine gun from one
German to another, but still doesn't shoot. He looks terrified
as his thumbs twitch on the triggers.
German # 7 FIRES twice hitting Corporal Smith's chest who winces in pain.
The windshield of the Jeep Jimmy shatters behind Sgt Wake; he
turns and fires his pistol into # 7 German's knee who falls
to the ground clutching his leg.
Pvt Vinson swings the mounted machine gun and
FIRES. across the face of German # 5
and German #2 in the rear and they fall to the ground.
Capt Howard jams his pistol under the enemy Major's face FIRES up into the German Major's head.
The dead German Major lies face down in the SAND with eyes open.
Capt Howard stares down at the dead
Major.
Dead German #6 lies dead on the ground.
Sgt Wake, stares straight ahead.
Pvt Vinson nervously swings the mounted machine gun back and forth.
Troy, drenched in sweat, looks pained as he unbuttons his
shirt: there's a gunshot in his FLAK JACKET. The slug drops
out of the dent, into his hand -- he exhales.
German's 2, 3, 4, and the Sergeant throw their hands up in
surrender and drop their weapons. Big German 2 walks toward
the Jeep Jimmy in surrender, and bows down.
Captain Howard points.
CAPTAIN HOWARD
Cover these three.
Accident. Relax.
Pvt Vinson nervously swings the mounted machine gun from one German
in the rear to another, but doesn't shoot. German soldiers
point their rifles at the Americans.
CORPORAL SMITH
No.
German #6 jerks his K 98 rifle toward Capt Howard and fires at Capt Howard who takes a shot to his arm grimaces violently in pain.
Corporal Smith fires his pistol. The bullet tears through German 6's chest. German 6 falls to the ground.
Pvt Vinson swings the mounted machine gun from one
German to another, but still doesn't shoot. He looks terrified
as his thumbs twitch on the triggers.
German # 7 FIRES twice hitting Corporal Smith's chest who winces in pain.
The windshield of the Jeep Jimmy shatters behind Sgt Wake; he
turns and fires his pistol into # 7 German's knee who falls
to the ground clutching his leg.
Pvt Vinson swings the mounted machine gun and
FIRES. across the face of German # 5
and German #2 in the rear and they fall to the ground.
Capt Howard jams his pistol under the enemy Major's face FIRES up into the German Major's head.
The dead German Major lies face down in the SAND with eyes open.
Capt Howard stares down at the dead
Major.
Dead German #6 lies dead on the ground.
Sgt Wake, stares straight ahead.
Pvt Vinson nervously swings the mounted machine gun back and forth.
Troy, drenched in sweat, looks pained as he unbuttons his
shirt: there's a gunshot in his FLAK JACKET. The slug drops
out of the dent, into his hand -- he exhales.
German's 2, 3, 4, and the Sergeant throw their hands up in
surrender and drop their weapons. Big German 2 walks toward
the Jeep Jimmy in surrender, and bows down.
Captain Howard points.
CAPTAIN HOWARD
Cover these three.
The question is; how would I shoot it differently than you ? Those are merely words on a page. How do you envision this sequence? I am curious.
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Sin City - RR's best film yet and another example of it being a unique vision; in this case a frame by frame shot of the panels in the graphic novel. Imagine if Paul Thomas Anderson or Uwe Bolle got ahold of Sin City.
It isn't about credit. Never will be. Writer's are a completley different breed than the Film Director.
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Jeremy Ordan
Major Contributor
To reinforce John's statement I will go back to the bedroom scene between QT & Harvey in Pulp Fiction. I would never think to shoot that four minute conversation with one shot, just like as John T. & Samuel J. walk to the apartment and then have the foot massage conversation for 8 minutes I wouldn't shoot that as one shot.
Those are words on a page, the director applies the vision to those words. If I had directed either of these films there would have been a lot more shots, and it would have lost some of what made it so good.
Seems to me like there is just an issue of what a director does...
-Jeremy
Those are words on a page, the director applies the vision to those words. If I had directed either of these films there would have been a lot more shots, and it would have lost some of what made it so good.
Seems to me like there is just an issue of what a director does...
-Jeremy
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
I can only agree with this if the writer is the director. I love writing. Creating a world from nothing. As far as a screenplay goes, though, Hudson's right when he says it's only a blueprint. The director is the one who puts images to the writer's ideas. The better the writer expresses those ideas, the greater the chance the he and the director will be on the same page regarding what ends up on the screen. But in the end, it's the director who'll make the creative decisions, based on his story telling ability. He could be a Spielberg/Scorcese/Tarantino, you name it, or a Michael Bay/Uwe Bolle/Paul Thomas Anderson. Same script, different director = a world of difference.Kholi said:
A great script in the hands of a master director will yield (hopefully) a masterpiece of cinematic art. A great script in the hands of a hack will end up as pulp fiction (little p., little f.) Entertaining at best, unwatchable at worst.
Blaine said:
I agree with this, and I think that my point was coming from a writer/director's view. So, you're right. Being a writer/director, I already know what I want to show and what I don't.
You all are absolutely right. I think my point of view obscured what I was trying to say.
Now that I think about it, there are a lot of scripts that have serious potential, it's the director that chooses what shots are important and such, thus ripping the potential right out from beneath it.
Sorry everyone.
John_Hudson said:
My girlfriend asked me what I was laughing about. I had an outburst at the thoguht of UWE BOLLE on Sin City.
Your point is made. I think, like I said up above, that I was coming from a writer/director's side.. not just a writer.
LMFAO.. Uwe Bolle. Holy crap that's so funny.
Here's something sourced about QT. Skip Press claims in his screenwriting guide (don't have a page number--the index really sucks) that the nonlinearity of Pulp Fiction was really Sally Menke's (Editor) idea, not QT's.
Hard for me to believe, but Press has some cred. Anyone else hear this?
Hard for me to believe, but Press has some cred. Anyone else hear this?
steindj said:
Hmm that's not the name I was given, but I do know that the name I was given for the female did have ties in Reservoir Dogs as well.
Like I said, his first two weren't totally his. But, in his defense, I've got someone that gives me a lot of tips on my writing. she doesn't rewrite it for me, but she helps me find strong points in my stories.