Top 10 Films of 1999...

[Blackstar]

the whole film (sixth sense) is from Bruce Willis' POV. by the whole movie I mean every poo pooing shot that he's in. there really isnt any change of POV really. it's not bad filmmaking. its a great movie.

Wrong. This is completely wrong and that fact that someone would back it up, filmaker?

If the whole movie was from Willis' POV we WOULD NOT have seen any of the moments when Cole was by himself, when Cole saw other dead people with other deathwounds. We would have followed Willis the whole time.

yeah, it was a joke to point out the insignificance of a minor inconsistancy in the broad scheme of everything a film offers.

This is the funniest line I've read in this thread. You want to talk movies yet you can't make a legitimate, rational argument supporting your beliefs. Cheating Bruce Willis so that we never see his deathwounds isn't a "minor inconsistency" -- it's a MAJOR GAFFE. The movie lacks integrity. When the kid, Cole, can see everyone as they are dead except the main charachter then that's a huge flaw in the film.

I guess I'm just surprised by this because others I've talked to have noticed the same things.

 

[oneinfiniteloop]

1. Three Kings
2. The Hurricane
3. The Matrix
4. Fight Club
5. American Beauty
6. Green Mile
7. Sixth Sense
8. Office Space
9. Dogma
10. Being John Malkovich

I put Three Kings because I think David O'Russell really stepped out and did something different. Visually it was very entertaining, and I love the sequence shot in Ektachrome. Personally, I think The Hurricane was an awesome movie that always makes me feel good, and The Matrix, well, it was something else when it came out.

 

[FilmMakerr]

Wrong. This is completely wrong and that fact that someone would back it up, filmaker?

If the whole movie was from Willis' POV we WOULD NOT have seen any of the moments when Cole was by himself, when Cole saw other dead people with other deathwounds. We would have followed Willis the whole time.



This is the funniest line I've read in this thread. You want to talk movies yet you can't make a legitimate, rational argument supporting your beliefs. Cheating Bruce Willis so that we never see his deathwounds isn't a "minor inconsistency" -- it's a MAJOR GAFFE. The movie lacks integrity. When the kid, Cole, can see everyone as they are dead except the main charachter then that's a huge flaw in the film.

I guess I'm just surprised by this because others I've talked to have noticed the same things.

Blackstar, remember something. Dead people see what they wanna see in the movie, Malcolm Crowe didn't wanna see himself dead, see his marriage fall apart, didn't wanna see himself leave this kid alone. They walk around like normal people, which is what he was doing. The whole movie wasn't from Malcolms POV, no, it was about both characters, helping eachother. Malcom helped Cole, told him what to do, and it worked out fine, "All they want is help" remember? guess what Malcom wanted? he wanted help as well, which is what happens at the end, Cole helps Malcolm learn the truth, "Talk to her while shes asleep, this way she'll listen to what you have to say", that right there showed Malcolm the truth, the ring dropping proved to him that he really was dead, this whole time he didn't know he was dead, remember, NO one can see him, how would he know hes dead? when he doesn't believe he is dead. They see what they wanna see.

 

[Jeremy Ordan]

whoa i diagree there Jeremy,those two movies are history you can read up on(although not the true history) whereas american beauty is a contemporary that taboos like smoking pot, closet homosexuallity, will be laughed at and will be mainstream, kind of like REEFER MADNESS movie is today, but certainly not in the same league in film making

American Beauty is about getting older, finding yourself in a rut, and trying to do something to wake up from that sleep, eat, work, rinse & repeat cycle we all find outselves in.

Titanic is historical in that there was a boat called Titanic. Gladiator is historical in that there were Gladiators in Rome. Neither Gladiator or Titanic, in my opinion, will age well.

There is something about the American psyche, in my opinion, where we find ourselves in this rut and we need to do something to escape it. We wake up and we find that we have wasted a month, a year, a decade and time just continues to move past us. How many times have we said, "It's been two months since I've shot something". We just allow the monotony and responsibilities of life to hold us back and keep us from moving forward. American Beauty is about taking control of out life, putting our foot down, and most importantly, not missing the reality and the beauty of the forest of life because we get distracted by the ugliness of some of it's trees.

That is a best picture.

-Jeremy

 

[ExtremeSleuth]

Wrong. This is completely wrong and that fact that someone would back it up, filmaker?

If the whole movie was from Willis' POV we WOULD NOT have seen any of the moments when Cole was by himself, when Cole saw other dead people with other deathwounds. We would have followed Willis the whole time.



This is the funniest line I've read in this thread. You want to talk movies yet you can't make a legitimate, rational argument supporting your beliefs. Cheating Bruce Willis so that we never see his deathwounds isn't a "minor inconsistency" -- it's a MAJOR GAFFE. The movie lacks integrity. When the kid, Cole, can see everyone as they are dead except the main charachter then that's a huge flaw in the film.

I guess I'm just surprised by this because others I've talked to have noticed the same things.

the whole film (sixth sense) is from Bruce Willis' POV. by the whole movie I mean every poo pooing shot that he's in. there really isnt any change of POV really. it's not bad filmmaking. its a great movie.

if you read that correctly i said every shot that shot bruce willis is in is his POV. THE ONLY TIME we see the dead people is when the kid sees them. So 98% of the movie is in Bruce Willis POV.

When the kid, Cole, can see everyone as they are dead except the main charachter then that's a huge flaw in the film.

At the end the kid DOES see him dead. You never see the gunshot wound before that is because ALL OF THAT IS IN WILLIS' POV AND HE DOESN'T ACCEPT HE'S DEAD...

 

[oneinfiniteloop]

There is something about the American psyche, in my opinion, where we find ourselves in this rut and we need to do something to escape it. We wake up and we find that we have wasted a month, a year, a decade and time just continues to move past us. How many times have we said, "It's been two months since I've shot something". We just allow the monotony and responsibilities of life to hold us back and keep us from moving forward. American Beauty is about taking control of out life, putting our foot down, and most importantly, not missing the reality and the beauty of the forest of life because we get distracted by the ugliness of some of it's trees.

That is a best picture.

-Jeremy

Well said Jeremy! :thumbsup:

This is a topic that plagues/can plague us all. Movies that address this need to be made, they make us feel alive, make us feel more. This is why I love The Hurricane so much. Rubin Carter transcended the system that encaged them and became something greater from it. We are all searching for substance, and I for one, applaud any work of art that gives us a taste.