A word (or many) for those contemplating on attending film school.

uriahocean

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A word (or many) for those contemplating on attending film school.

Film schools have their place, but they are not an “all-in-all” solution to learning the many facets filmmaking. Filmmaking is part art, craft, and science. For those who are truly serious about telling stories on film will be self-taught filmmakers.

Many friends of mine have an education from NYU in the producing arts. However, their degrees do not solely focus on film alone. Some have concentrated on business, sociology, theology, and philosophy while making there film studies a second pursuit. Why? The answer is simply an economical one: a well-rounded postsecondary degree will give you more options if you ever decide to further your education in the future. Studies in the humanities and various other academic disciplines stretch the mind, forming independent rational thinking.

In addition, most Masters programs in film prefer if applicants do not have an undergraduate degree in film when applying. They want people whose education is diverse, showing that academic progress has developed in more ways than just filmmaking.

If however you are just interested in pushing buttons, turning knobs, and tweaking vector scopes (nothing wrong with this at all), perhaps other forms education could very well benefit you.

Consider spending money on workshop programs in Maine, NYC and LA that will give you the best bang for your buck. Workshop programs are meant to enhance working professionals knowledge of a particular area of the film and video industry. In addition, many a film novice spends time at such workshops to learn from working pros. Workshop learning is very intense and very compact.

On the technical side of filmmaking, the film biz is a funny breed of animal. If you plan on working in LA, NYC, or other cities, be prepared to work for a guild or union at some point. While most locals and guilds appreciate film school students, they promote from within keeping a long tradition of apprentice-type work ethics. So be prepared to either pave your own way in the film industry or, enter in at a beginners level like everyone else regardless of a degree.

In essence, you must narrow down what most interest you about filmmaking. If screenwriting captures your fancy get a degree in English. Those most interested in producing should follow an accounting and business track.

Studies in the humanities, acting, and English will be very beneficial for those wishing to direct. Again this is at the post secondary level.

In the case of cinematography, which is my field of study, I have found sociology to be most beneficial. As a result, my creative decisions reflect the principles learned from such a discipline. Also, learning still photography is a must.

In conclusion, the art and science of filmmaking, namely shooting on celluloid, is a craft best learned by hands on doing. Many of us know this. The advent of quality digital video has afforded the neophyte filmmaker the opportunity to learn the process of mastering the basics of photography while nurturing the Cine art form at an earlier age than previous generations before. So in reality, if you are shooting movies already, be it on DV or 8mm, you are a filmmaker.

Many people make the same mistake over and over again by seeking permission to either make movies or be called a “filmmaker.” I have heard people say, “If I go to film school, then I will be a filmmaker”. This, I tell you is wrong. You are a filmmaker at the present level you have allowed your self to be. Start reading, start observing, ask questions and go sweep the floor at a studio like I did when I was 14 years old. Be bold and let others know that you are more than a hobbyist. And keep shooting.

I have had the added benefit of growing up in and around the film biz. My family has been heavily involved in the Orlando arts community for two generations making me the third. The film bug bit me at a young age and the rest is history. Going to film school was like regressing back to skills I picked up when I was 15 years old, watching the pros work as I swept the studio floors and put lights away after every shoot. Not every one has the opportunities I have had but not one of them was handed to me on a silver platter.

There is only one logical reason for attending a traditional film school at the undergraduate level: learn to produce, write, direct, and shoot under peer review. And this is very good. Then again, DVXUSER.COM seems to do a good job at this and it does not cost $30 grand a year to do so.

here is a good book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786884770/102-2776397-5076961?v=glance&n=283155
Dialogue welcome :)
 
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uriahocean said:
For those who are truly serious about telling stories on film will be self-taught filmmakers.
I don't agree with that at all. I think that if your serious, you will find your own path, and you will take it. That may be film school, it may not, but you'll decide what works for you.

Though I must say, a huge amount of emphasis is put on film school, and that's not right. I don't regret my decisions, I'm just re-thinking all my options at this point.
 
true... dont go to film school to just learn...go to film school to apply and test the knowledge you already have. If Film school is right for your case...go for it. Al education is self education. There is some philosophy behind what I am saying.
 
What do you do for a living?
What have you shot?
Where did you attend film school?
 
I think 2 different people can end up at exactly the same place taking either road.

That does not make one the right choice over the other.

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what's the point?

Just curious since the whole filmschool debates been threw 50 different threads
 
What do you do for a living?
What have you shot?
Where did you attend film school?
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I always get this one when posting in a new forum. Not sure if folk want proof that I am for real or not. But oh well here it goes. The life story is as follows...

Living: Married into rich family so I do not HAVE to work (for real).
Shot: I got my first break on the film Amistad as a Camera PA moved up the latter in the Connecticut film industry...second AC. Moved to indiana to attend seminary.

School: Looked at going to NCSA but they wanted to start me out on video my first two years. Nope waste of time and money. Currently in school for second degree in Cinema Studies at UNCG preparing for UCLA grad program

Underpants: Boxers size large
Neck size: 18
Credit Card Number: :costumed-smiley-047
Anything Else? lol
 
John_Hudson said:
I think 2 different people can end up at exactly the same place taking either road.

That does not make one the right choice over the other.

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I agree...but what makes most economic sense should be taken into consideration.
 
So can we restate your advice, from your personal sucesses as:

-grow up in and around the film biz.
-marry rich.
-get lots of degrees, but be self-taught.

Hehe... I just found the post to be a bit 'do as I say, not as I do'.
 
LOL... I feel your pain. Its not a wonder land though. I have to raise my own funds for my film and video career.
 
Hmmm

Hmmm

I feel a bit of sizzle in this thread. Forgive me that my has taken the turns it has. My advice is rather universal not my life style. I understand that.
 
uriahocean said:
I feel a bit of sizzle in this thread.
Man, that made me think of a Sizzler commercial that was on earlier tonight. Not that I want Sizzler, but that steak and shrimp sure did look tasty.
 
I wnt to film school for 5 years - got a degree in cinematography, shot over forty half hour films on super 16 while there, learned about art, history of art, history of film, had access to film and editing equipment and now work and earn my living as a cameraman still shooting on film which was the goal of the process.

The initial post, if you don't mind me saying, sounds a little pompous as though being dispensed by stanley kubrick or Terence Malick or someone who has had a vast and lauded career. Do what works for you, If studying sociology is what you consider important for being a DP then go for it. On the other hand going to film school works for some other people. There are no hard rules.
 
jamestmather said:
...shot over forty half hour films on super 16 while there...

okay, I don't feel so bad nolw about the state of my filmmaking after shooting just 5 movies.

jamestmather said:
The initial post, if you don't mind me saying, sounds a little pompous as though being dispensed by stanley kubrick or Terence Malick or someone who has had a vast and lauded career...

+1
 
Perhaps I should have started this post by explaining that this is a conversation I had previous with a mentor of mine. I am seeing I set the tone for this one wrong. Apologies. Sorry to have offended the gods.

In other circles, I have seen some heated debate of this issue as well. I appreciate very much each persons level of success in this forum.
 
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