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bhiga:

My question about best bossible export quality had to do with future film transfer.

By the way I did some chroma key tests and the results where just amazing ! The only thing it troubles me is if there is a way to select/key from lets say five red windows in aframe only the two of them. It seems that there is no such flexibility around but anyway this is something that it should be done with a more dedicated program. Its only that since it seems that EDIUS uderstands chroma surprizingly well I wish its there and I just don't know how to do it.

So, how much the trial version is limited ? Barry mentioned P2 exprot wich I to cant find, and I consider an issue the confusion about 720p 25p over 50p that was mentioned in an other thread. I beleive you tried to explain but I didn't uderstand what you meant. So, are Edius settings actually the export settings and it doesnt matter what footage you import as long as it is suported ? But what if I want to export in 720p25p ? Still confused...

And again, any one knows what are the proper settings if you have DVCPRO-HD 720p25p over50p or 1080i 25p over 50i meaning shooting PAL ? Is this the trial versions limitation or there not such thing in the original as well ? I want to remind that I had downloaded the previous trial version also that didnt have DVCPROHD 720p at the settings but the 720p footage I worked with worked just fine in an HDV timeline... so there was actually an export limitation in this case. What now ?
 
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Hi Andreas,

It sounds like you are using the color-picker (dropper tool) in Chroma Key...
While this is the easiest mode to use, it is also the least flexible.
Also worth noting here is that the Chrominance filter, which is similar to a Chroma Key, but instead of making the selected range transparent allows you to apply filters to the selected and/or unselected range, also uses the same selection methods.

I recommend switching to the oval, fan or rectangle mode (click one of the buttons), then enable the Histogram display so you can see what colors are in use in the current frame.

Drag the red handles/edges around the oval/fan/rectangle to define the "hard" key area. Any colors within this area will be keyed out (subject to the luma limiter, which I'll get to shortly).

The rectangle and oval can be moved around. The fan is a little different - you can expand/contract the inner and outer "rings" so you can have something doughnut-shaped, or a full circle. The oval is probably the most flexible since you can change the shape of the oval as well as its angle.

You'll notice that if you move your mouse around the edge of the shape, sometimes the edge turns yellow. If you drag the yellow edge, this will extend the key out to create a "soft" key area. This area will be a partial key, blending to transparent. This is most useful for softening the edges of a subject so they don't "pop out" above the background.

To the right of the chroma area, you'll notice a vertical histogram display. This is the luma range limiter. The red graph shows what luma values are present in the current frame.

Like the chroma shape, the luma limiter also has both red and yellow handles which work the same. The area between the red handles (note that it'll also "wrap around" the top/bottom so you can get just high/low luma values if you want) have crossed-lines in the background - X . The "soft" alpha areas get single-hatched, with either \ or / lines in the background.

Play around with it and you can achieve some pretty remarkable things. For example, you might key out just the highlights of an object, producing something of an "x-ray vision" type effect when you shine a light on something.


As for limitations, as far as I am aware, all of the features that are available are not limited. Meaning that everything P2 you can do with EDIUS Broadcast, you should be able to do with the trial.

However, the way EDIUS works, sometimes you don't get certain options. It depends on...
1) Project and hardware setting (Project settings)
For example, the old (before HD) P2 exporter wouldn't show up if you were in an HD project. For the most part, most of these types of limitations have disappeared.

2) Connected devices and input setting
For capture, the connected device (for digital input) can influence the capture options, though usually all are available.

The clips in the timeline shouldn't matter, as EDIUS will conform them to the project settings during playback/output anyway.

As for export, I'm not too sure on how the available 720p modes are determined.

That said, that's how I understand it should be... As often occurs, there may be things I'm not aware of, though.

Brandon
 
Hi Brandon

Thanks for your time and pations. Really apreciate it.

I didnt use the color picker only, I also find the other ways more flexible and I ended up with remarcable results. Edius rocks with chroma, I am impressed with those results coming from such footage with no profesional lighting. The chrominance filter seems quite intresting indeed but I need some time with it to figure it out completly. Right now I still cannot take key from one part of my image only (I dont know if I described my problem corectly so I will try once more: lets say there are three seperate boxes on my frame that all of them are red. I want to mess around only with one of them.) I would love to come over Canopus forums but I use ony web based email adresses and there seems to be a problem. Do you recomend any good book about Edius that I can buy ? 17 days left to go on my Edius trial version... I hope until then I will be able to make a desission... But then again somenone with the knoledge needs to clear things up with 720p, export settings, PAL etc etc
Thanks again.

Andreas
 
Hi Andreas,

Ahh, I understand what you are saying now... Yes, currently because you cannot have more than on Chroma Key on a clip, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) to individually adjust the sections.

If you footage allows for it, one possible way is to use the Rectangle function to split up the sections of the frame, then lay each piece on separate tracks.
Of course this doesn't work if the subject moves...

The crazy way for moving objects would be to use a Region filter to track the object, set the outside of the Region to Solid Color, with a Chrominance filter inside the Region set to the color range, with outside of the Chrominance set to the same Solid Color as the outside of the Region. Essentially, you would be creating a dynamic mask of the object. Then you Chroma Key that...


For the forum, please send a request to forumadmin@canopus.com with your email address and a preferred username (or a few, in case the first is taken) and we can set up a Canopus forum account for you.

Brandon
 
Andreas said:
bhiga:

My question about best bossible export quality had to do with future film transfer.

By the way I did some chroma key tests and the results where just amazing ! The only thing it troubles me is if there is a way to select/key from lets say five red windows in aframe only the two of them. It seems that there is no such flexibility around but anyway this is something that it should be done with a more dedicated program. Its only that since it seems that EDIUS uderstands chroma surprizingly well I wish its there and I just don't know how to do it.

So, how much the trial version is limited ? Barry mentioned P2 exprot wich I to cant find, and I consider an issue the confusion about 720p 25p over 50p that was mentioned in an other thread. I beleive you tried to explain but I didn't uderstand what you meant. So, are Edius settings actually the export settings and it doesnt matter what footage you import as long as it is suported ? But what if I want to export in 720p25p ? Still confused...

And again, any one knows what are the proper settings if you have DVCPRO-HD 720p25p over50p or 1080i 25p over 50i meaning shooting PAL ? Is this the trial versions limitation or there not such thing in the original as well ? I want to remind that I had downloaded the previous trial version also that didnt have DVCPROHD 720p at the settings but the 720p footage I worked with worked just fine in an HDV timeline... so there was actually an export limitation in this case. What now ?
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So does this trial support 25p and other HVX PAL DVCProHD frame rates?
 
Important to note here the distinction between the shooting/sampled rate, and the stored data rate.

For example, you can shoot 25p, but still store those samples as 50i. From a purely technical standpoint, the data itself is 50i, even though the original sampling frequency was not 50 Hz, but 25 Hz.
 
"Destination disk drive is too slow"

Only on Edius (the newest trial version) have I seen this alert.

The program reminds me of a Macromedia product. s-Backwards, but nice ... though - still non-functioning so to speak.
 
I'm getting a problem with demo when it imports 720p clips, only the sound seems to import....
 
@Richard_Knight:
Check to make sure it's not capturing to your C drive, assuming you have a dedicated video volume.

@ROne:
Did you download/install the demo before or after Mar 16?

If you have the one from before, please get the current one. There was an issue with the Canopus HD (DVCPRO HD compatible) codec installation that's now been fixed.
 
bhiga said:
Hi Andreas,

Ahh, I understand what you are saying now... Yes, currently because you cannot have more than on Chroma Key on a clip, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) to individually adjust the sections.

If you footage allows for it, one possible way is to use the Rectangle function to split up the sections of the frame, then lay each piece on separate tracks.
Of course this doesn't work if the subject moves...

The crazy way for moving objects would be to use a Region filter to track the object, set the outside of the Region to Solid Color, with a Chrominance filter inside the Region set to the color range, with outside of the Chrominance set to the same Solid Color as the outside of the Region. Essentially, you would be creating a dynamic mask of the object. Then you Chroma Key that...


For the forum, please send a request to forumadmin@canopus.com with your email address and a preferred username (or a few, in case the first is taken) and we can set up a Canopus forum account for you.

Brandon
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Hi again

Well, unfortunatly I havent manage to make the chrominance filter to work properly with region filter. Another thing I cannot uderstand is why you are not allowed to choose to chromakey the inside of the chrominace filter !!! Well, like I told you a few days are not enought and I realy don't know what to if I havent solve those basic issues before the trial expires. Curently I am overwelmed by Edius capabilitys and stability. I just want to make sure two things :
1) If I can get acurate crroma key from any part of the frame that I want
2) If Edius suports 100% DVCPROHD 720p 25p and 1080i 25p over 50i
and can export this cind of footage in a codec that doesnt compress the signal
more.

Today my Canopus forum account has been activated. Thanks for the help. I have spend the last three hours searching and reading. But I thing I just have to start fireing questions around because i dont se much DVCPRO interest.

and BTW whats the deal with you mods start :kali: when EdiusV4 is mentioned :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Andreas
 
Hi Andreas,

The Chroma key affects the internal alpha, so you can't use it in a filter. It's just due to the order things are processed in EDIUS.

Chrominance should work within Region, though sometimes you can't see the preview until you exit back out to the Region. That's usually when I do the Chrominance outside of Region, save a preset, then apply the preset in the Region.

I'm being stricter than usual about the EDIUS 4 because things that like often lead to lofty predictions, which then end in disappointment. Remember when folks though XP would be secure and bug-free?
:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Brandon
 
Bhiga:

I've been trying out the demo and it looks great so far.

Question.... I'm outputting to wmv HD and there's only the 720p/29.97 ntsc and the 720p/25 pal available.

Is there no 720p/24 ntsc available?

Thanks
 
Hi folks,
I havent downloaded the trial so fare, but i am really looking on edius, cause it seems to be the best native way of editing.

Here my question coming from pal-country:did anyone try it with pal footage(720p and I am also really interested how it is capable of dvcpro 50-pal, as i am planning to do my next documentary with it!)

So please pal guyx with edius and a havx bring some ligth to that question!!-Thnaks!
 
I've tried PAL DV and it worked great.

I've had no success with 720p on the lastest version of edius trial, it only seemed to import the sound, not the picture.

I'm going to try again.
 
it does the sound and the video in seperate streams for some reason on the Trial, at least that is what I found. Im sure there is a simple fix for that though.
 
Hey guys,

Can someone give me a step-by-step of how you're importing the clip(s) and what the clip files you have are?

I'm trying to determine if it's just a difference in operation (operator misguidance) or something that needs to be addressed.

Brandon
 
Bhiga here is my procedure for importing 720p25pn...

P2viewer and software installed first.

Launch EDIUS

New Project from splash screen

Project Settings > Canopus HD720/25p over 60 (why is this over 60??, it's the nearest match though)

TOOLS > P2select > Direct Import (select clips here) Import to Bin

Clip appears in bin or from DROP-DOWN above source window.

When you now drag this to time line or double-click to play, I can only see a black source window. The ICON from the drop-down only shows a sound wave and not a thumb nail.

Doing the same thing with SD-DV works fine.
 
Thanks ROne.

Can you verify whether any DVCPRO clips play back properly in EDIUS?

Also, did you download/install the demo prior to March 15, or after March 15?

Brandon
 
I downloaded the trial to test it out.

Of course I don't have a Canopus Edius NX card...so is this the reason why it's sooo choppy and interlaced on the preview window? I can't even view my normal DV AVI or QT files in real-time which playback perfectly in Vegas.

I have a P4 3.4Ghz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, but sh*tty Asus 128MB PCI-e video card (which I'm actively researching as to which video card it best to futureproof myself for so many different HD formats and video editing)...any suggestions would be great.

I heard that the ATI FireGL 7350 and Nvidia QuadroFX 4500 doesn't really boost video editing performance (realtime SD/HD previewing and rendering times)? Should I be looking at basically Canopus, Matrox, or Pinnacle video cards?

Which are the top of the line and best suited for HD video editing?

Thanks,

Norm
 
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