MLB investigation....

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alveraz

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Anyone else over this already? I've been watching ESPN all day (and working) and I'm just dissapointed Selig made this announcement regarding this full blown investigation.

Balco has paid their dues, and we all know up until the last year or so many ballplayers were jacking up. Okay, we get it. Seriously, very few, if any ballplayers are still juicing anymore after this scare and we already know who's getting an asterik for years of juicing.

I have a five year old son, and this is his first year really getting into baseball. I just want to wipe the board clean and move into a nice classic season and be done with this crap so we can watch games together without the announcers discussing steroids for two innings. What does the MLB have to prove now? What don't we know? Who's benefitting from this? Really?

I know it's the PC thing to say, 'we need to get to the bottom of this'...but do we really? I thought we did already.

I'm bummed out. This is rediculous at this point. Here comes another season of trash talk, half cocked rumors and tired retoric.

Enjoy.
 
You cannot be serious Alvy

This is long over due and players will continue to juice up until someone steps in. This is merely the beginning of something that should have been started years ago.

Any players taking horse jiz need to be ousted.

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We have not gotten to the bottom of it other than heresay and allegations. I say punk everyone ass thats on the juice.

Ridiculous ? I say 'It's about time!'

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Players like A-ROD and JETER are being insulted by these clowns.
 
As Selig said today, "Nothing is more important to me than the integrity of the game of baseball,"

I agree with him. I hope they're thorough. And I hope they revoke Bond's achievements on the juice. :kali:
 
I agree, if you use, you need to get what's coming to you. It's bad for baseball and is a bad example for our kids. I get all that.

I just don't get why we need to launch an investigation of what we all already know. I mean, even a layman with no baseball knowledge can point out who juiced up. Do we need a full blown investigation that will cast a shadow over the game all year to find out what we already know?

And, do you honestly think they will find HARD, conclusive evidence that will undoubtedly point out who did what, when and where? No way. It'll all be 'he said, she said' and there will never be an absolution to this, mark my words.

Do you really think they're going to start handing out those suspensions over accusations? No, they won't, and if they do, I can guarantee the players union and the highest paid attorney's in the US will fight it every step of the way, taking years of court battles.

Do you really think Bonds or anyone else with a reputation to defend will simply take a 50-100 day suspension because some guy once saw another guy who knows this one guy who overheard Barry shooting up?

No. Throw all the senator lead investigations you want at this, it's a total, useless joke and only me, my kid and the fans will ultimately suffer.
 
I think any player that has juiced needs to be exposed. Unfortunately investigations are in order. What can they do 'Start offically today being serious?'

This is going to open up a can of worms and I think any player that has wronged the integrity of the game needs to be known at the least. That information alone is going to be punishment enough

My kid turns 6 next month; maybe MLB can clean up its act before he really get's into baseball (He i s T-Ball).
 
Blaine said:
Yeah, we don't need lip service. :costumed-smiley-047
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And that's all it is, pure lip service. Think about it. The book came out with tons of allegations. Bud then got put under the gun, so instead of saying, we can find a way to handle the doping usage going forward with stricter regulations, he instead threw this curve ball at us, a complete joke.

Here's how you handle it. It's about the future, not the past. So, up the amount of piss cup tests and I don't care if they have to piss in a cup before every single game, they deserve to be treated like children after doping up for so long. Whatever helps the game going forward. But, heading down a dark journey into the past is lame and fruitless.
 
I can agree 100%

Start NOW with the serious mandate and punishments; start now with serious drug testing; start today with cleaning up MLB

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Let me ask you; what is the concern with them doing an investigation exactly? We all know it is bullshit that they waited for a book to make them take action but at least they are finally taking action.

Alot of players that otherwise would never have been exposed are most likely going to be exposed with this and I say 'Good!'

This is simply the beginning and if the alternative is doing nothing (Which is what they have been doing for a decade) then bring it on.
 
I think heavier drug testing regulations need to be put in place. That's the solution.

However, I don't think digging up several players from the past, including several that are already retired and punishing them for something that was not only rampant, but normal and done regularly is going to solve anything.

You've heard it before, in the 80's 90's, the question was, 'who WASN'T juicing up? Do you really think we need to expose every single player that juiced? Do you realize how many player's we're talking about here? I mean, you can't just nail the big guys, you have to nail every single player that juiced. I don't think everyone understands the enormity of this thing and the crap that'll come of this.

Not to mention, these steroids were NOT illegal in the game, or at least most of the ones used. We tend to forget that. It was a much different time and the issue wasn't a concern until we decided it was, and that's all fine. It's time to take pro-active measures however and increase dopping regulations and testing, not investigating what we already know and punishing everyone because of a witch hunt gone mad.
 
John_Hudson said:
You're gonna have to elaborate on that one.
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Kind of how this new book is giving us an inside look at what's going on, Jim Bouton's BALL FOUR gave us an inside look at what goes on in the club house. Before his book, it was an unwritten rule with the sports writers that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" so to speak. Are we better off for it? Who knows, but baseball lost its innocence with the public in general then.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/00...102-3209647-8368916?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
 
I say let em juice. America loves action stars. They already work out 4 hours a day to have physiques like that and the ability to crush a ball, why not juice. Can you imagine if everyone was on the jiuce?" hoooly moly

110 mph fastballs, 500 foot homers

I'd start watchin ball again.
 
I think we are all in agreeance on stricter drug testing policies and penalties are long overdue.

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But several ? Several players? I think Hundreds is more to the number, isn't it ? They knew it was illegal when they were doing it. Players like Raffy sitting there at the grand jury testimony saying 'I have never done it...' and then flatly denying it even after being busted ?

I have no problems with former players being exposed and I think everyone understand the enourmity (sp?) of this undertaking.

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Anyway's.... The one thing I agree and want to see is changes made NOW. The only thing that pisses me off about the investigation is that it will take some time for any changes to officially be made in stone.

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An investigation is not just to expose and bust players it's to 'Investigate'. How many people are we talking about ? How are they getting the product? Who is providing it ? What kinds of drugs are we talking about ? and on and on ...

It's the corporate way. Form a committee. Find out what is going on. Make changes.

Investigations are merely the first step in determining the correct policy and actions. It may or may not be a waste of time or not prudent but I don't think it's neccssarily a bad thing.

At least they have finally stepped up to the plate (pun) and said 'Alright. Fine. We'll check it out.'
 
Blaine said:
You need to watch The Man Who's Arms Exploded on TLC.
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I would love to see that! Dude, if you wanna be the best at something so much that you're willing to shrink your testicles, grow man boobs, enlarge your heart, etc etc, hell dude, you get whats comin to ya!

But you gotta realize, I feel this way about ALL drugs. I think heroin, coke, all of it should be legalized and sold in vending machines. If you're dumb enough to do it, you're dumb enough to deal with it. End o story.

And, to be honest, if you ARE dumb enough to do it, why not entertain me at the same time!
 
And, to be honest, if you ARE dumb enough to do it, why not entertain me at the same time!
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I can't argue with that sentiment.


Hey while we're at it can we resurrect the olden days of the Colliseum only substitute the lions and Christians for Bears and Addicts?
 
lucidz said:
But you gotta realize, I feel this way about ALL drugs. I think heroin, coke, all of it should be legalized and sold in vending machines. If you're dumb enough to do it, you're dumb enough to deal with it. End o story.
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But then I'm going to be asked to take care of those idiots with my tax dollars. :costumed-smiley-047
 
lucidz said:
And, to be honest, if you ARE dumb enough to do it, why not entertain me at the same time!
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I've heard this stance a million times. Though it's funny, it's rediculous. Our children admire these players, look up to them, and try to work hard like them to be the best at whatever they want to do...rightfully so, it's a great game with great athletes. I want my kid to admire a player who has pure skills, unenhanced by chemicals. It's pretty simple really.

If my kid can look at Cal Ripken and say wow, look how hard he worked at the game and how many he played in a row, and he did it all naturally, then yes, the game is doing it's job and we all win.

That's really what this is all about isn't it, our kids and the preservation of the only national past-time we can share with them? (besides other sports that pale in comparrison to baseball, but that's another argument)
 
alveraz said:
I've heard this stance a million times. Though it's funny, it's rediculous. Our children admire these players, look up to them, and try to work hard like them to be the best at whatever they want to do...rightfully so, it's a great game with great athletes. I want my kid to admire a player who has pure skills, unenhanced by chemicals. It's pretty simple really.

If my kid can look at Cal Ripken and say wow, look how hard he worked at the game and how many he played in a row, and he did it all naturally, then yes, the game is doing it's job and we all win.

That's really what this is all about isn't it, our kids and the preservation of the only national past-time we can share with them? (besides other sports that pale in comparrison to baseball, but that's another argument)
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That really is at the heart of it. :thumbsup:
 
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