Canopus Broadcast 30 Day trial available
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mule ferguson
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OK Barry I will purchase the new book. How much? Thanks for taking the time from your busy busy busy to figure this out. You D Man! I believe we are beginning the new beginning. Whatever that means. I'm still tired from my 14 hour shoot in Brevard, NC. yeasterday. All footage shot in 720p overcrank. except some footage shot for the sound. More ? on this in another post.
Cecil B DeMule
Cecil B DeMule
Barry_Green
Moderator
The key is to recognize that DVCPRO-HD in Canopus is not called DVCPRO-HD, it's called Canopus HD (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE CANOPUS HQ high-def codec!). So just plug the HVX in, go to the capture input settings and choose OHCI, then go to the settings and choose Canopus HD 1080/60i. Or Canopus HD 720/60p, etc.
Also, for DVCPRO50, they call it Canopus SD50. And yes, you can live firewire capture it too.
But it definitely works.
Also, for DVCPRO50, they call it Canopus SD50. And yes, you can live firewire capture it too.
But it definitely works.
Pascal Parvex
Well-known member
Barry_Green said:
There's no such setting. And I suppose I know why, because to edit HD, apart from HDV, you need the dongle, as mentioned in another thread, otherwise HD won't be unlocked. So this demo is pointless for the HVX.
Barry_Green
Moderator
I've got the real version, with the dongle. Hmm. Well, I guess that's a question for Mr. Higa.
But nevertheless I can confirm that it does work.
But nevertheless I can confirm that it does work.
crashoverride
New member
Hey Guys.
I know i know. I'm new on the forum, but might be of some help 2 you. We have the Canopus Agency in Cape Town SA. As far as i know, the demo version is only SD & HDV Capeble. They have disabled the HD support in the trail. We have just installed the Broadcast version and i must say it ROCKS.
Had a little bit of an issue with the output via NX Card, but found out that it is only capable of outputing true HD via the NX Card. Keep on getting a message PCI Bus Busy Error. SP Card will sort out the component output though.
Will go and test the trail on my laptop again and give you more feedback.
I know i know. I'm new on the forum, but might be of some help 2 you. We have the Canopus Agency in Cape Town SA. As far as i know, the demo version is only SD & HDV Capeble. They have disabled the HD support in the trail. We have just installed the Broadcast version and i must say it ROCKS.
Had a little bit of an issue with the output via NX Card, but found out that it is only capable of outputing true HD via the NX Card. Keep on getting a message PCI Bus Busy Error. SP Card will sort out the component output though.
Will go and test the trail on my laptop again and give you more feedback.
In the DEMO version the 720p 24p pizza MXF clip that can be found at http://hvx200.moctel.com/Users/cre8tive/Sundance HVX MXF files/ plays just fine when I import it in to a HDV 720p 24p timeline but with no sound. I know that I suppose to import it through EdiusLogo/Tools/P2 select, but the file seems invisible to Edius when I open the folder. But try to make more then one transition and away goes real time :crybaby: (I have a laptop 3ghz 2gbram nvidiaGforceGo6800 256mb WinXPPRO RAID0 and MXF file plus project stored in 2 external 7200 HD)
Personaly I dont like many things about Edius and I just wish Adobe make a workable solution for Premiere some time soon cause I dont thing I am going to waste any time searhing for the infamous hidden menus. I am rather dissapointed cause I wished and bileved that we really had a workable solution or do we ? I doupt... Bottom line, with my curent setup and if the specific MXF file is not corrupted I canot edit in real time with edius, plus that I don't really feel like doing it cause of his personality :badputer: ... I am just wating to hear more comments, and please when you say IT WORKED or IT SUCKED mention also your PC specs and not just only the CPU power. HVX users reports are apreciated.
Personaly I dont like many things about Edius and I just wish Adobe make a workable solution for Premiere some time soon cause I dont thing I am going to waste any time searhing for the infamous hidden menus. I am rather dissapointed cause I wished and bileved that we really had a workable solution or do we ? I doupt... Bottom line, with my curent setup and if the specific MXF file is not corrupted I canot edit in real time with edius, plus that I don't really feel like doing it cause of his personality :badputer: ... I am just wating to hear more comments, and please when you say IT WORKED or IT SUCKED mention also your PC specs and not just only the CPU power. HVX users reports are apreciated.
@Andreas:
P2Select expects to find a P2 filestructure.
Can you mimic one (you can even use the sample P2 clip download as reference) and try it?
If it's really 720p data in there, there may be other oddities.
There's a difference in how the clip is handled between the two methods. Generally speaking, importing via Import in the Bin will not have audio.
@stabwound:
Canopus HD is the DVCPRO HD compliant software codec.
A few questions:
You didn't have EDIUS installed previously, did you?
Are you in a Canopus HD project setting?
Does Canopus HD show up as a capture setting for Generic OHCI capture?
Wow - I really like this graemlin!!
:nads:
We need one of these for the Canopus forums... as a user avatar.
rogar-Evil(DBG):
Brandon
P2Select expects to find a P2 filestructure.
Can you mimic one (you can even use the sample P2 clip download as reference) and try it?
If it's really 720p data in there, there may be other oddities.
There's a difference in how the clip is handled between the two methods. Generally speaking, importing via Import in the Bin will not have audio.
@stabwound:
Canopus HD is the DVCPRO HD compliant software codec.
A few questions:
You didn't have EDIUS installed previously, did you?
Are you in a Canopus HD project setting?
Does Canopus HD show up as a capture setting for Generic OHCI capture?
Wow - I really like this graemlin!!
:nads:
We need one of these for the Canopus forums... as a user avatar.
rogar-Evil(DBG):Brandon
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bhiga:
I don't really know how to mimic a P2 structure and actulally I cannot uderstand why... I mean allow me to believe that when you import a file in a NLE software trhought file/import, the file should play if it is suported. Plus if this is the case, how we supose to play the samples canopus has in their website, it is an MXF file, right ? (I havent downloaded those since are only P2 1080/50i/60i and I am intresting in 24p or 25p. ) Thanks for your time.
I don't really know how to mimic a P2 structure and actulally I cannot uderstand why... I mean allow me to believe that when you import a file in a NLE software trhought file/import, the file should play if it is suported. Plus if this is the case, how we supose to play the samples canopus has in their website, it is an MXF file, right ? (I havent downloaded those since are only P2 1080/50i/60i and I am intresting in 24p or 25p. ) Thanks for your time.
Hi Andreas,
Similar to AVI and QuickTime, MXF is a "container" of sorts. Different devices write different data into MXF, so EDIUS isn't guaranteed to import all MXF files.
We support P2, VariCam and XDCAM MXF files currently.
In the case of P2 MXF files, there are a number of different separate files that together comprise the various elements of a clip. For example, there might be different audio tracks associated with a video clip. That's why directly importing video clip MXFs usually end up not having audio, because the import only grabs the selected clip.
When you import via P2Select, it scans the P2 filestructure and grabs all the associated files of a clip together.
Brandon
Similar to AVI and QuickTime, MXF is a "container" of sorts. Different devices write different data into MXF, so EDIUS isn't guaranteed to import all MXF files.
We support P2, VariCam and XDCAM MXF files currently.
In the case of P2 MXF files, there are a number of different separate files that together comprise the various elements of a clip. For example, there might be different audio tracks associated with a video clip. That's why directly importing video clip MXFs usually end up not having audio, because the import only grabs the selected clip.
When you import via P2Select, it scans the P2 filestructure and grabs all the associated files of a clip together.
Brandon
bhiga:
The fanny thing is that Edius doesnt see the file AT ALL, is this the way it is suposse to happen ? Again, this is suppose to be a 720p 24p MXF file that comes straight out of from an HVX200, and yes I am not sure that the file is 100%OK (if you have a fast connection I will apreciate a lot if you can give it a try) but thats the only thing I personaly have available at the moment, Canopus should have a P2 720p24p also at their site, but well no one is perfect ! I have gave my gongratulations for canopus in the past cause the info on the website gives the impression that this company has a respect for the client. Their is not such a thing as sample files for download at Adobe's website, thats for sure.
Do you believe that a PC system like mine should work fine with Edius ? Many people here seem satisfied if it gives real time playback/capturing and of caurse this is indeed a good start to beggin with, but what about real world editing
Does anyone has ever edit 720p24p25p MXF files without spending some few extra thousand dollars in hardware. Don't get me wrong here, and if it only does the job with realy expensive harware its fine, but many people including me are left with the impression that a PC like the one I have is capable of doing the job also without problems. I am on a budget. Thanks again.
The fanny thing is that Edius doesnt see the file AT ALL, is this the way it is suposse to happen ? Again, this is suppose to be a 720p 24p MXF file that comes straight out of from an HVX200, and yes I am not sure that the file is 100%OK (if you have a fast connection I will apreciate a lot if you can give it a try) but thats the only thing I personaly have available at the moment, Canopus should have a P2 720p24p also at their site, but well no one is perfect ! I have gave my gongratulations for canopus in the past cause the info on the website gives the impression that this company has a respect for the client. Their is not such a thing as sample files for download at Adobe's website, thats for sure.
Do you believe that a PC system like mine should work fine with Edius ? Many people here seem satisfied if it gives real time playback/capturing and of caurse this is indeed a good start to beggin with, but what about real world editing
Does anyone has ever edit 720p24p25p MXF files without spending some few extra thousand dollars in hardware. Don't get me wrong here, and if it only does the job with realy expensive harware its fine, but many people including me are left with the impression that a PC like the one I have is capable of doing the job also without problems. I am on a budget. Thanks again.Hi Andreas,
P2Select looks for the P2 filestructure, so it will not see MXF files that are not in the proper places in the filestructure.
The bin import should see MXF files as clips, otherwise try "All Files." It may not let you import them, but it should at least show them in the list of clip files.
Actually, VariCam MXF should be 720p... but I haven't seen how VariCam arranges its files.
I'm sure Canopus Japan has a P2 camera, but I'm in Canopus US, and we're just a sales/marketing/support office, so... Then again, we're part of Grass Valley/Thomson, now so maybe things will change?
So the MXF file is from an HVX camera? Probably it's just missing the filestructure - or maybe the file doesn't have audio at all. If it's standard P2 recording, the audio and video files are stored separately.
Your laptop sounds good enough for at least basic editing. I would be wary about thermal throttling of the CPU though. It really depends on what you're doing. Working with multiple video tracks and filters put increasing load on the system.
Of course, you can still render the parts that don't play back in realtime.
Brandon
P2Select looks for the P2 filestructure, so it will not see MXF files that are not in the proper places in the filestructure.
The bin import should see MXF files as clips, otherwise try "All Files." It may not let you import them, but it should at least show them in the list of clip files.
Actually, VariCam MXF should be 720p... but I haven't seen how VariCam arranges its files.
I'm sure Canopus Japan has a P2 camera, but I'm in Canopus US, and we're just a sales/marketing/support office, so... Then again, we're part of Grass Valley/Thomson, now so maybe things will change?
So the MXF file is from an HVX camera? Probably it's just missing the filestructure - or maybe the file doesn't have audio at all. If it's standard P2 recording, the audio and video files are stored separately.
Your laptop sounds good enough for at least basic editing. I would be wary about thermal throttling of the CPU though. It really depends on what you're doing. Working with multiple video tracks and filters put increasing load on the system.
Of course, you can still render the parts that don't play back in realtime.
Brandon
Here's the basic P2 filestructure
\CONTENTS\ICON\ (some .BMPs)
\CONTENTS\AUDIO\ (some .MXFs)
\CONTENTS\CLIP\ (some .XMLs)
\CONTENTS\VIDEO\ (some .MXFs)
So, maybe the pizza file is just from \CONTENTS\VIDEO and only contains video?
P2Select looks for all the folders to 'assemble' the parts of the clips together.
Note that if you have copied content from a P2 card to a local drive/folder, P2Select should be pointed to the folder above the CONTENTs folder, so it "sees" the whole filestructure.
Brandon
\CONTENTS\ICON\ (some .BMPs)
\CONTENTS\AUDIO\ (some .MXFs)
\CONTENTS\CLIP\ (some .XMLs)
\CONTENTS\VIDEO\ (some .MXFs)
So, maybe the pizza file is just from \CONTENTS\VIDEO and only contains video?
P2Select looks for all the folders to 'assemble' the parts of the clips together.
Note that if you have copied content from a P2 card to a local drive/folder, P2Select should be pointed to the folder above the CONTENTs folder, so it "sees" the whole filestructure.
Brandon
Richard__Knight
Member
so... Edius Trial doesn't do HD? wHy?
so... Edius Trial doesn't do HD? wHy?
If the Trial version doesn't do the job of capturing HD streaming data from our HVX200's, then why try it? WHY?
I'm not going to go with a program just because someone else raves about it. I've been down that road before. Until I see the program ... WORK, I'll hold on to my cash.
All I can say is that I now have a super nice mantle piece of equipment UNTIL I can find some adequate software that can handle the streaming data output of an HVX200.
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BTW, after hearing about a good deal here in Austin on an HVX200 (no names mentioned) I dropped by their office to see one. Arriving I was told that the price was about $500 dollars more than the amount previously quoted just the day before. Apparently I was quoted the pre-order price. Well surprise surprise. Feeling motivated I decided to save a BUNDLE by going directly to Shinjuku Tokyo, Japan and personally picked up one myself. Thanks to Mr. ncje (dvxuser member) who referenced PV-Station.com (Professional Video Station Shinjuku), I returned home with a spanking brand new HVX200. Yes, they had P2 Cards available at a very competitive price -- but I opted not to buy any for the moment. hmm... Perhaps I should have, though... had I only known how much of a PROBlem I'd have software wise.
so... Edius Trial doesn't do HD? wHy?
crashoverride said:
If the Trial version doesn't do the job of capturing HD streaming data from our HVX200's, then why try it? WHY?
I'm not going to go with a program just because someone else raves about it. I've been down that road before. Until I see the program ... WORK, I'll hold on to my cash.
All I can say is that I now have a super nice mantle piece of equipment UNTIL I can find some adequate software that can handle the streaming data output of an HVX200.
---
BTW, after hearing about a good deal here in Austin on an HVX200 (no names mentioned) I dropped by their office to see one. Arriving I was told that the price was about $500 dollars more than the amount previously quoted just the day before. Apparently I was quoted the pre-order price. Well surprise surprise. Feeling motivated I decided to save a BUNDLE by going directly to Shinjuku Tokyo, Japan and personally picked up one myself. Thanks to Mr. ncje (dvxuser member) who referenced PV-Station.com (Professional Video Station Shinjuku), I returned home with a spanking brand new HVX200. Yes, they had P2 Cards available at a very competitive price -- but I opted not to buy any for the moment. hmm... Perhaps I should have, though... had I only known how much of a PROBlem I'd have software wise.
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for_mlove
Well-known member
Andreas, if Canopus imports P2 material like Liquid does, you don't select the MXF file out of the video folder. If you do, you only get video and it might not work well. You have to import the XML file from the Clip folder and it points to the appropriate video and audio files. I can't confirm this as I don't have the Broadcast version of Canopus trial installed yet.
Bhiga, I was under the impression that the new trial version of Edius Broadcast would allow for P2 support without the dongle, can you confirm this?
Thanks!
Bhiga, I was under the impression that the new trial version of Edius Broadcast would allow for P2 support without the dongle, can you confirm this?
Thanks!
bhiga said:@Andreas:
@stabwound:
Canopus HD is the DVCPRO HD compliant software codec.
A few questions:
You didn't have EDIUS installed previously, did you?
Are you in a Canopus HD project setting?
Does Canopus HD show up as a capture setting for Generic OHCI capture?
Wow - I really like this graemlin!!
:nads:
We need one of these for the Canopus forums... as a user avatar.
Brandon
I do not have Edius installed previously.
I am in the project setting.... very first screen after choosing "new project".... under OHCI list.... there is NO Canopus HD.... only variations of DV and HDV show....
Is project setting = capture setting?
In order to continue to the next menu, I must choose either DV or HDV.... there is nothing else.
Are you using the demo?
Barry_Green
Moderator
Here's a step-by-step on how to set up Edius Broadcast for capturing streaming footage from the HVX.
Start Edius Broadcast. Choose "new project".
Choose any of the following presets:
Canopus HD 1080/60i
Canopus HD 1080/30p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24pA over 60i
Canopus HD 720/60p
Canopus HD 720/23.976p over 59.94p
Canopus HD 720/29.97p over 59.94p
(obviously, choose the one that matches the footage you shot).
In your project you'll have two monitor windows; click on the drop-down box above the left monitor window and choose "Generic OHCI - Input." It'll bring up the "Input Settings" dialogue box. In there, choose "Canopus HD 1080/60i" for 1080 modes, or choose "Canopus HD 720/60p" for 720p mode.
Note, there's also a "Canopus HD 720/60p Constant Rate Shooting over 59.94p" preset; that may offer capturing only the chosen frames but I haven't tried that yet.
If you've got your HVX attached and in the proper mode, you should see a live image show up in that left window. Then just click the red capture button and you'll be capturing live streaming HD to your hard disk.
Start Edius Broadcast. Choose "new project".
Choose any of the following presets:
Canopus HD 1080/60i
Canopus HD 1080/30p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24pA over 60i
Canopus HD 720/60p
Canopus HD 720/23.976p over 59.94p
Canopus HD 720/29.97p over 59.94p
(obviously, choose the one that matches the footage you shot).
In your project you'll have two monitor windows; click on the drop-down box above the left monitor window and choose "Generic OHCI - Input." It'll bring up the "Input Settings" dialogue box. In there, choose "Canopus HD 1080/60i" for 1080 modes, or choose "Canopus HD 720/60p" for 720p mode.
Note, there's also a "Canopus HD 720/60p Constant Rate Shooting over 59.94p" preset; that may offer capturing only the chosen frames but I haven't tried that yet.
If you've got your HVX attached and in the proper mode, you should see a live image show up in that left window. Then just click the red capture button and you'll be capturing live streaming HD to your hard disk.